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RFoster WACKO Posts: 388 |
posted 12-30-1998 07:01 PM
   
Awhile ago there was some discussion about Harbour Lights introducing a flagpole with flag on it's lighthouse miniatures. As I remember, there were even suggestions to fly the US Coast Guard flag, Old Glory, the state flag from where the lighthouse is located, or the US Lighthouse Service flag (for lighthouses depicted in earlier times before 1940). After reading Kaiz's post (in this Forum) concerning the resurrection of lightning rods (using the new technology and preformed foam) it made me think about this topic from the past. I think it would be a nice addition (and add realism) to have a flagpole w/ flag on the newer Harbour Lights. Ron [This message has been edited by RFoster (edited 12-31-98).] |
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Rod Watson Saint Posts: 802 |
posted 12-30-1998 11:39 PM
Great memory Ron. I was thinking about bringing that thread back up to the top sometime. I still think it is a fantastic idea for a bit of "spicing up" the line. Here is the previous thread of 05/98 for those needing a refresher course: Rod Watson |
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jakescol Cruise Director Posts: 208 |
posted 01-21-1999 07:21 PM
I just re-read Ron Fosters idea about flags on the lights. It would be GREAT if they put the flags on the special MILLENNIUM piece. And it would be GREAT if the piece was the STATUE OF LIBERTY. |
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engbrady Saint Posts: 1348 |
posted 01-22-1999 12:03 AM
I just don't understand all this talk about doing the Statue of Liberty as the Millenium lighthouse. I guess I am one of the fortunate few to already have my LE of the Statue of Liberty. Ding... Dong... Avon calling! |
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BuyGlass WACKO Posts: 237 |
posted 01-22-1999 01:24 AM
I'm with you Paul, it would look out of place IMHO. Lighthouse or not I think it would look more like a vacation nick nack I didnt have room to display elsewhere. SeAnDiEgO |
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Bob M Cruise Director Posts: 1526 |
posted 01-22-1999 07:08 AM
I'm not in favor of Harbour Lights replicating the State of Liberty. I do not consider that famous landmark as a lighthouse.
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JChidester Saint Posts: 3167 |
posted 01-22-1999 09:06 AM
I AM in favor of Harbour Lights creating the Statue of Liberty. It did serve for a short time as a true Aid to Navigation. More importantly, for over a century, The "Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World" has served as a symbolic beacon, showing the way to freedom and democracy. 6,500 edition, $150 with a circle of removeable flags surrounding the base. Weathered 'copper' with a 'gold' flame topping the 10" high sculpture. And for those who want something extra special, an Anchor Bay model of the USS Constitution 'Old Ironsides' in scale to the Statue of Libery. |
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engbrady Saint Posts: 1348 |
posted 01-22-1999 10:32 AM
"It did serve for a short time as a true Aid to Navigation." There are a couple of key words: 'short time' It was actually a very short time compared to just about every other lighthouse in the world. 'as a true aid' " 'Statue of Liberty Enlightening the World' has served as a symbolic beacon, showing the way to freedom and democracy." I agree it is one of the most important structures in the USA and one of the most important symbols in the world, but its importance is and was not as a lighthouse. keywords: 'symbolic beacon' Paul |
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LamarB Cruise Director Posts: 900 |
posted 01-22-1999 12:03 PM
I'm in favor of the Statue of Liberty, too. It was in fact a true lighthouse, complete with USLHS keepers and all. If anyone's interested, I have an in-depth history of it from older back issues of The Keepers Log. ------------------
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engbrady Saint Posts: 1348 |
posted 01-22-1999 12:25 PM
I never said it wasn't a real lighthouse. What I said it wasn't an important lighthouse and it wasn't one for very long at all. The Statue is very, very important, but just not as a lighthouse. One of the neatest experiences I have ever had was to go to the top of the Statue of Liberty. Its place in history and the future is not as a lighthouse. It is and always has been the symbol of freedom for the whole world to see. It should be held in high honor, much as the flag and the Liberty Bell, but as a lighthouse representing all of the other lighthouses in the world, nope. Paul |
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Kaiz WACKO Posts: 173 |
posted 01-22-1999 12:50 PM
Let the Statue of Liberty stay a "statue" and to get back to what this post originally pertained to: IMHO, I think the addition of a flag or multi-flags would be terrific (of course as long as the lightning rod is looking down at them) I think it should be on a certain piece created every so often. This would keep it unique and tune up interest on those occasions. Perhaps the factory would not let on in advance to what piece might have these changes. The collector would only know when they arrived, could really spice up the chats. The big question? Could the secret stay a secret? Would be fun to try, Bill might have to be out of the country for an extended period however, to try and pull this one off. |
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rscroope WACKO Posts: 1124 |
posted 01-22-1999 01:32 PM
Nice piece but not very realistic Paul. Only the flame is gold. I'm sure the rest is turning green again since its makeover in'76. Kaiz has some good ideas |
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LamarB Cruise Director Posts: 900 |
posted 01-22-1999 06:25 PM
Paul, FWIW I was not responding to your post specifically. It was my intention to address the Statue of Liberty topic in general. ------------------
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RFoster WACKO Posts: 388 |
posted 01-23-1999 08:17 PM
Of the 13 posts above (including my original one) only three stayed with the subject, "Flags", while two mentioned both "Flags & Statue Of Liberty". The majority, eight posts here, talk about the "Statue Of Liberty" only. This is obviously a heated topic among HL collectors. Thank's JC & Kaiz for trying to keep us on (or get us back on) the original subject here, "FLAGS". What kind of flag(s) would those preferring flags like to see? U.S., State, Coast Guard, U.S. Lighthouse Service??? Any other thoughts, such as what the flags be made of? Maybe a double-wide sticker (both sides of a flag) that could wrap around the flagpole and adhere to itself. Maybe a miniature cloth flag (could be tough to manufacture and difficult to attach to the pole). Ron (interested in the flag question here) |
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Lighthouse Ghost WACKO Posts: 91 |
posted 01-24-1999 08:40 AM
Hey Ron, I think the HL sculpture should have the flag(s) that were flown at the real Lighthouse. |
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jakescol Cruise Director Posts: 208 |
posted 01-24-1999 02:26 PM
RON: I'm for the real flag-the USA flag. They can make them small enough that they would look good on a light. But Old Glory and the Coast Guard Flag wouldn't look very good flying in front of Pharoh's Light. It would create an International incident. |
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greed WACKO Posts: 51 |
posted 01-24-1999 06:03 PM
Hey maybe the millenium piece will be something different like the B.Y. piece? (reunion '98) 
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Todd Shorkey WACKO Posts: 805 |
posted 01-26-1999 09:54 AM
Ron, I have seem two different styles of flags used on collectable miniatures: 1. sticker version which folds onto itself and 2. a solid plastic version with flag stickers on either side of the plastic flag. Both versions were seen on firestaion replicas. Of the two versions, the sticker that folds over onto itself is much more realistic looking. I am assuming that they can also be created with the "wavy" look, so that it appears they are waving in the breeze. I have never seen a cloth version that small, but I would have to say, all things being equal, this would look the most realistic. The cost factor would be another issue to look at. As far as what flag to fly on each piece, give me "Old Glory" on the U.S. pieces and the country flag on the international pieces. My two cents for the day, -Todd |
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mombo Cruise Director Posts: 1604 |
posted 01-26-1999 10:43 AM
If flags were to be added I feel the flag that was flown during the time period depicted by the miniature should be the one. |
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engbrady Saint Posts: 1348 |
posted 01-26-1999 11:47 AM
Todd you obviously don't collect the AB ships. "Both versions were seen on firestation replicas." As you can see, Harbour Lights has already started using flags on some of their pieces. Paul |
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rscroope WACKO Posts: 1124 |
posted 01-26-1999 12:26 PM
The flags gotta be cloth. Would HL settle for any less in quality? I agree with Mombo about the time period. A then and now HL could have different period American flags. |
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Bob St Clair WACKO Posts: 202 |
posted 01-26-1999 02:13 PM
If HL would go with flags my thought is that they should be: 1. Cloth 2. Depict time period (historys sake) 3. Fly flags according to country 4. No increase in price of piece Bob |
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BuyGlass WACKO Posts: 237 |
posted 01-26-1999 07:57 PM
Flags?? I can take them or leave them. They are not a detail that I miss. SeAnDiEgo |
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Todd Shorkey WACKO Posts: 805 |
posted 01-26-1999 08:31 PM
You caught me Paul!! You are right, I don't collect AB. The less I look at them, the less tempted I am to spend my money on them. My eyes look right past them to the HL's I still need to add to my collection. The flags look good though. The technology is there, start adding the flags and lightning rods. -Todd (You can't hide lack of knowledge from knowledgeable people. but you can try) |
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jakescol Cruise Director Posts: 208 |
posted 01-26-1999 09:26 PM
Okay then how about Baranof"s Castle at Sitka. It was Alaska's first lighted navigational aid. It was a simple torch inside the cupola. It was also on Castle Hill that the Russians and Americans held a small ceremony that turned Alaska over to us for a mere 7.2 Million. It was on Castle hill, Sitka, Alaska, on October 18, 1867 that the Russian flag was lowered and the Stars and Stripes was raised in its place. Here we have a great combination of a very early primative navigational aid, and the significant raising of the US Flag. They seemed to go hand in hand. Would any one out there vote tohave the flag flying in front of this and having it be a special piece? P.S. BY, I would glady go with you, as your employee, to photo this location and obtain old photos. with the flag flying in front of it. |
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RFoster WACKO Posts: 388 |
posted 01-27-1999 02:17 AM
Alaska? With BY, Jake? This is the wish list but don't pack your bags too soon. (it sure would be a dream come true though, eh Jake?). Ron |
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rew99 WACKO Posts: 63 |
posted 01-27-1999 02:35 AM
I'd love to see flags, lightning rods & old dead trees on LE Christmas pieces! Richard |
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Polly Cruise Director Posts: 234 |
posted 01-27-1999 03:03 AM
Would the flags be sewn by Betsy Younger, bills sister? |
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Art Cruise Director Posts: 1387 |
posted 01-27-1999 01:25 PM
Alas, I fear that Betsy Younger, famed maker of miniature flags, was crushed by impatient tourists outside one of those 7"x7" real lighthouses. She was last seen being carried away by a gull. |
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rew99 WACKO Posts: 63 |
posted 01-27-1999 04:44 PM
I thought that Betsy was Bob's wife! Richard |
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BuyGlass WACKO Posts: 237 |
posted 01-27-1999 06:56 PM
All rumors I'm affraid. Betsy is alive and well in El Cajon. She just knitted an afghan to keep the Beaver warm. SeAnDiEgO |
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JTimothyA Saint Posts: 1266 |
posted 01-27-1999 09:20 PM
Bob is survived by his wife Felicity, and children Birch and Ashley. Anybody actually count the stars on the A/B flags to see if the count is accurate to the time period of the wessel. Rgds, |
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JTimothyA Saint Posts: 1266 |
posted 01-28-1999 12:46 AM
Speaking of flags, here's an interesting page onMaritime flags |
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Dave H Cruise Director Posts: 1025 |
posted 01-28-1999 11:37 PM
If they add flags could we start a whole new generation of LE with motion?? Maybe Bill Younger has a yet-to-be-heard-from brother, Ben, who could develop a mechanism that would have a little keeper emerge from the Keeper's Quarters and move out to the flag pole to hold morning/evening colors? Just think of the possibilities. |
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