In a reply to this post, please weigh in with

(a) how many LEs do you own now?

and

(b) how likely you are to buy a resculpted LE of one of the most popular lights. Please rank: (5)likely to buy them all, (4) likely to buy most, depending upon appearance and/ or $ available, (3) likely to buy some, (2) likely to buy those of versions for which I will not or cannot pay for the 1st edition, (1) may buy a few if they really strike me, or (0) Dead-set against it, no way, nuh-uh, not me.

a. 110
b. Probably 3 - but I dont think it is a good idea to resculpt LE's

a. 97
b. 4

1:121
2:2 otherwise 0

I'm not sure on the exact count of HLs I own. I have all but 15 of the LEs (2 of those will be purchased right after Christmas making the missing LE amount 13); All Spyglass Series; All Christmas Ornies, Every society and event piece; and one OE.

My vote: I will buy all of them as they become available. (5)

That's the word from the East Coast, where it's raining right now!

Guess I should respond to my own request!

(a) 21 LEs
(b) (4)

(a) 2
(b) 2

A-19
B- 2

A-21
B-1

A. 59 (plus 9 above #600 if they count)
B. 5

[This message has been edited by JimJohnson (edited 12-17-98).]

a. 120+
b. 3

A) All but 9
B) #5 (still dont think it is the most creative or innovative idea, but as a Wacko how could I not buy them)

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-RodW
[This message has been edited by Rod Watson (edited 12-22-98).]

A 120+
B 0
Second editions of retired LEs are a bad idea, they destory the integrity of the collection.

Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill W (edited 12-18-98).]

(a) 85
(b) 3

A. 100+
B. 3

(a) 100+

(b) 1

My efforts and $$$$ are concentrated on completing my collection on original issue LE's, and will continue to be regardless of resculpted LE's. It will have to be a showstopper to get my purchase. IMHO, creating 2nd editions isn't the best idea for Harbour Lights or collectors.

-Todd

(a) Excluding some variations, all but Orig. Hatteras.

(b) 5

I am on the other side of the fence. Since the idea refers to completely new molds of different eras, seasons, and etc.... These are new versions that have nothing to do with the original and does nothing to devalue the collection. I like diversity. It adds yet another version that will appreciate in value rather than flood dealer shelves with giftware GLOWS that have low potential of ever being worth more than retail.

SeAnDiEgO

52
1 Cape Hatteras
Only if I cannot get East Coast LE at a reasonable price.

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LoNgIsLaNd BoB

Roughly 120.

0.

The darned GLOWS are hurting the collectibility of Harbour Lights enough.

a) 71
b) 3

A. All but Coquille, Original Hatteras, Burrows OR, and Split Rock MI

B. 5

I have over 180 on display. All the limited except the original Hatteras and the same Burrows, OR and Split Rock, MI that John mentioned and many of the variations. That includes all the Open and Limited of the Lighthouses, AB, Reunion, ornaments and thumbnails etc. etc. etc.



My choice is quadruple 0 I think the history of a limited edition just like the lighthouses should not be messed with at all. That is what the Opens are for (a version available to all).Hold down the booing, this is my turn. There are still many great lighthouses left to be done and I can't wait until Harbour Lights does them all. The 5500 number editions and the ones that all 5500 weren't produced, are part of the history of a YOUNG company and their development. I don't believe that 24 different versions of Hilton Head (don't laugh there are a lot of golfers out there and they have only seen that lighthouse) is what they had or have in mind as a Limited Edition. If you make 2 then why not 3 then more and more. What is limited then? Perhaps only the limited time it takes to produce the next limited version of HL Portland limited version26. I don't think so!



There, I feel much better now!



Paul

Thank you, Paul.

Take two thumbnails and report to the FSB in the morning.

Dr. Art

a. All but 1st Hatteras (I have mold 2) and that elusive HL-111.

b. 5

If it has an issue number. HL or AB.
I have it. Lucky early collector
Don't keep track of how many

Dead against any kind of reissue. Not because I have them all, but it has hurt too many other collectibles

[This message has been edited by FredKuhl (edited 12-18-98).]

a) 100+
b) 5

But Fred, if they are resculpted and issued anew, will you buy them?

Please rank: (5)likely to buy them all, (4) likely to buy most, depending upon appearance and/ or $ available, (3) likely to buy some, (2) likely to buy those of versions for which I will not or cannot pay for the 1st edition, (1) may buy a few if they really strike me, or (0) Dead-set against it, no way, nuh-uh, not me.

Thank you!

a) not sure, 125+ LEs last time I counted

b) asymptotically approaching zero


Gettin' Kinda Foggy in Here,
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/im

1) 45
2) #3 (However, it will not alter my quest to purchase the original LE's, but will fill a void in my collection until I can afford to do so.)

a. Have all but three and some duplicates.

b. 0

A - All but Ch1, Burrows,OR., Split rock,MI

B - 0, 0 and more 0

From the cash station,
Mark

[this message was edited by Homer Simpson (12-19-98).]

[This message has been edited by Mark Wagner (edited 12-19-98).]

We have 40 LE's

We would not buy any. (0)

a)63 LE 2OE
b)4
with a child getting ready for college those old LE are out of reach. Really don't want many GLOWs but have no other option. I live near PH and hate the tiny glow. would like a nice LE preferably Harbour Lights, if not someone else.

1) 45 LE, 0 OE, 1 AB, 6 ORN
2) 1-but just until the kids are through college. Then we can pursue the elusive LE's and add them to our Temple of Harbour Lights.

1) 120 L.E., All O.E.

2) 5

I'd rather see new lighthouses instead of re-issues of the old EXCEPT when the old cost more than three or four hundred dollars. Having said that my answer to question 2 was still a 5.

(a) 53 LE's 10 GLOW's

(b) 3--especially if it is a piece that I don't have or a lighthouse that I have visited.

(a)
74 LEs
14 (in the 500 & 600 series)

(b)
(2) likely to buy those of versions for which I will not or cannot pay for the 1st edition.

PS Hope my 2nd year of collecting is as much fun!

A) 7-Only collecting for 5 weeks.
B) 2-I don't believe that the open edition is hurting anything. It only gives the average person a chance to have a piece that is for some reason unavailable to them. I plan to collect ALL of the LE including variations but I have alot of collecting to do. For now I will purchase the readily available and not so hard to find retireds and then the nearly impossible such as Cape Hatteras and Coquille River. Who knows maybe then start collecting the OE.
Thanks for listening,
Out Of Breathe

[This message has been edited by LuvLights2 (edited 01-03-99).]

I don't know if everyone has weighed in on this, but I'm surprised to see this thread getting no recent attention.

I'm still against repeats of the LEs as a GLOW. But, I still collect one of every number and also own all the GLOWs as well as the LEs.

I'm not at all opposed to HL doing GLOWs of previous LEs. Nor do I oppose the re-issue of certain significant LEs. The caveat is that the re-issue has to be substantially, materially, different from the previous editions. For example, Portland Head in winter. Or Cape Hatteras in scaffolding for the move. Or Tybee in the new, original, paint scheme. Or Chatham in a historically correct view from the sea.

That's four suggestions, I'm sure there are more. This is 1999. If HL did one per year we're into 2004 (assuming it's too late to issue one this year) and they've added some 'punch' to the line. They've also given those that have discovered HL in the past few years a chance to have representations of significant lights at retail prices.

Why is this a bad idea? For my part, if those are lights that I collect, I want them. And if I don't have the 'other' version, it whets my appetite and I try even harder to have both (or all) versions to display side-by-side.

Rick

Don't start adding yet, Art! Have to give you my really big numbers...

a. 4 (plus Roosevelt Island)

b. 1 (but they probably shouldn't be reissued as LE's) 'cause it'll po most of the high rollers (except John, who'll buy anything)! But if they continue to be issued as GLOWS that'll p them off too. What's the answer? Move along to new lighthouses - there are a few left to do...
Personally, I'd much rather have a variety, not the same lighthouse, in 5 different versions/sizes.

1) 12
2) (3)

I would be interested in resculpted LEs if they differ in some way from the original. I am a two month old HL collector and have missed some great issues that are beyond my reach!

Better late than never...

A) 62
B) 2* or 0

* only the not completed editions like Coquille, Burrows, Pt. Arena (breakage), Hatteras...

Fred, thanks for reawakening this one. And right you are Tim. I meant to do this right after the first of the year but got preoccupied with my travel log. I'll let it go another week to let the current burst of interest run it's course. Last call... Thread to be summarized after 1/31/99.

-Art

a) 125+ LE's
b) #2

Wow, I missed a lot while I was away.
1.) 196 LEs, 29 Duplicates, 1 Triplicate, 1 Quadruplicate (this includes thumbnails so it's somewhat inflated)
2.) ZERO, ZILCH, NIL, NADA, GOOSE EGG

Keep 'em special, don't resculpt, don't reissue and keep the darned Coquille LE on the drawing board... forever.

I didn't get into this for the investment, but you know what? I have a lot of money into this addiction, and I'd like the payback to be substantial in my dotage. I could have gone on some pretty spectacular vacations with all this moo-lah (or been living in <600 square feet). :-)

The results are in!

I began this thread with the intent of seeing whether or not there there was a correlation between the number of pieces owned by a person and his or her inclination toward or away from the purchase of resculpted LEs.

Frankly, I expected to see that the old timers (who probably already own Portland Head, et al) would not be interested, while the relative newcomers would be receptive toward the idea of an affordable, resculpted Portland Head (for example) LE. But lookie here:



If there had been such a relationship, one would expect that there be something approaching a 45 degree line dropping from left to right accross the graph. The relatively flat line shows no discernable relationship between the number of HLs one owns and his or her predisposition to buy a resculpted LE. (I guess that I hadn't considered the IBTA* wacko factor.)

I was curious also to see if there was a general bias toward or away from such pieces.



The graph above shows that there is no clear concensus. But then, you probably already knew that if you've read these posts. Amazingly, the average response for all respondents is 2.5, exactly the middle of the road, to two decimal places!

Finally, I invoked what my stats prof referred to as Rule 1 of Data Analysis: "Look at the data."

I encourage you to do the same here:



Something curious comes to light when you view the last six columns on the right. It seems that those with fewer pieces (as a group) can either take or leave the concept. But those with huge stables of HLs are sharply polarized.

Could it be that the more we collect, the more we think about our collections, thereby solidifying our opinions? And if so, do the opinions of collectors eventually diverge because:

(a) for some, the more we have invested in HLs, the more we become wary of potential threats [real or imagined ;-}] to our collection's value?

while...

(b) for others, approaching a complete collection drives a compulsion to own them all, even the resculpts and the GLOWS?

Or is it an alien conspiracy?

What do you think????


-Rod Serling



* For you newbies and the forgetful, IBTA means "I buy them all"

[This message has been edited by Art (edited 02-06-99).]

I like the alien conspiracy theory!

TFPIMC

Art, the alien theory is as likely as anything else in this forum.

Personally, I believe each person has their own values and priorities, whether it be to own it all or to go after certain things not everyone can obtain.

Refreshing to know that just because we all love lighthouses, were not all the same.

>>Could it be that the more we collect, the more we think about our collections ...<<

Pardon me, but like duh! :-)

Although I suppose there may such a thing as the 'Wacko-Zombie' - one who has collected so many pieces they no longer think about what they're doing and their behaviour reflects mindless accumulation without regard.

The FogSignal Players present: Night of the living Wacko-Zombie...

[Margie] "Dear, I thought you went to the store to buy Hillsboro".
[Alfonse] "Uh, er, yes - I did go."
[Magie] "Honey - this isn't Hillsboro. Its a set of miniature ceramic thimbles depicting scenes from the Battle of Waterloo."
[Alfonse] "Oh. Ok. Well, just put them in case four - next to Biloxi. I'll go gas up the car."

Is the only significant conclusion to be drawn from all this is there no significant conclusions can be drawn? Is this itself a significant conclusion?

Pardoxically yours,
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/im [Wellington, where's the beef?]

[This message has been edited by JTimothyA (edited 02-07-99).]

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy. Please don’t shoot the messenger. I’m just dutifully reporting the results (as you requested, I might add.) I found the results rather unastonishing also, but I’d be remiss had I not summarized them. Having summarized them, I felt compelled to say something about them, even if it is just one big yawn.

Herr Tim the Insatiable, if you can infer something more profound from these data, then have at it! If it’s revelations you want, I defer to St. John.

The null hypothesis was “The more HLs one owns, the less likely one is to purchase a remodeled LE.” There are two possible outcomes in testing a hypothesis: the data can either reject the hypothesis or fail to reject the hypothesis. I think these data serve to reject the hypothesis. My apologies for the lack of profundity, but that’s how science (even pseudo-science!) works most of the time.

If anyone feels this topic is still worth pursuing (did anyone ever think that? LOL) and can offer constructive suggestions on the next step to take, I’m all ears. If not, then I'll just let it die a quiet death.


-Wellington the Beefless

Paraffin tests conclusively reveal the gun was not fired, but just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you! [vbg]

Rgds,
Not a Wacko Zombie