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HL Factoid #11 part 1 - What to Buy? #72735 12/31/98 04:57 AM
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Part 1: In which our hero finds a hobby and searches for the Golden Lens...

My first HL model was Old Mackinac Point given to me on my birthday by my dad in August of '95. It wasn't long til I was hooked (you know how *that* goes). Took me a while to become aware of the secondary market and the fact that some of these little models were pretty darn expensive. HL didn't have any nice catalogs that showed previous years models, so I didn't know what most of their pieces looked like - only those I saw in stores. I didn't know anyone who collected lighthouse models - heck I didn't know anyone who collected 'collectibles'. I was the newest of newbies and I was almost as fascinated with these little lighthouses as I was the big ones.

While attending my first BY signing event in Door County (sheer coincidence - we just happened to be there) I got a snoot full from the shop owner who was also a secondary dealer. Whoa! Some of those prices *were* pretty darn high. But here was someone who had access to models I'd never seen before. In the early stages of Wacko-itis (not diagnosed yet) I was working out in my mind that it made more sense to buy certain models than others. (Like DUH!)

But which ones should I acquire first? The retirement rate was much much quicker a few years ago - and a certain urgency pressed upon my inner beacon. There was *no* formal information on pricing of retired pieces and no information on their availability. HL was still putting together their first list of dealers, so I didn't even have that resource. All I had was the single piece of paper HL had sent me that showed what was available and what had retired, and a price list of secondary market pieces from the Door County shop owner.

Along with trying to be rational about which pieces to acquire when, I was fascinated with the idea of figuring out a way to predict which models were likely to become more valuable over time. Using a spreadsheet, I started playing around with formulas based on the information I had available to me. This didn't amount to much: the date a piece was available, when it retired, and what scraps of pricing info I could dig up. Not alot to go on. What I wanted to do was find a formula that did a good job of correlating a model's data with its pricing history - then test it with current and future pieces to see if the correlation held up.

I never quite got there. Partly because my equations had no way to factor things like aesthetics, the Tourist Factor, speculators, accessibilty, etc. All those intangibles that cause some models to be popular than others. But I got kinda close, cuz, although I didn't realize it, I did indirectly factor the symptoms of these intangibles.

In fact, I had enough confidence in the method of my madness that I actually used this information as my personal buying plan. Followed it for at least two years. Not to the letter, but as a general guideline to help me pick which pieces to buy and in what order.

In the message following this one, I'm posting a snippet from one of my more recent spread sheets. (I still include my early formulas along with capturing a bunch of other data about each model.) The top 47 models are included. I didn't pick these, they are the models that have what I call 'a good negative'. Take the Age of piece At its Retirment and subtract from it the Number of Days Since it Retired. And here's what we get.

So judge for yourself about these 47 models. The list is not absolutely current, but pretty close. I'm not including current pricing info, but you can check values from a little over a year-and-a-half ago. (Some pieces don't have prices from 5/97 cause they weren't on the secondary at that point).

If you're interested in any of the formulas used, drop me a note. Currently I'm using Excel which makes it pretty simple.

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Re: HL Factoid #11 part 1 - What to Buy? #72736 12/31/98 04:58 AM
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Top listings from among (almost) all current models using (almost) current data. Sorted on Age at Retirement minus Days Since Retirement

HL#Lighthouse NameAvail DtRetire DtAge (in days) at Ret.Days Since Ret.Age at Ret - Days Since Ret2ndry Mrkt Price 5/97 "Collecting Figures" mag
102Cape Hatteras r101/01/916/1/91151 2770 (2619)$4,600.00
111Coquille River 07/01/912/16/93596 2144 (1548)$2,450.00
139Barnegat01/01/941/6/95370 1455 (1085)$175.00
143Montauk07/01/945/10/95313 1331 (1018)$160.00
141Cape Neddick01/01/943/17/95440 1385 (945)$175.00
108Burrows Island07/01/911/1/94915 1825 (910)$250.00
102Cape Hatteras r206/01/9112/21/93934 1836 (902)$650.00
125Portland Head07/01/928/4/94764 1610 (846)$575.00
156Point Arena11/01/954/5/96156 1000 (844)$135.00
132Ponce de Leon01/01/9311/15/94683 1507 (824)$225.00
142Holland (Big Red)01/01/945/30/95514 1311 (797)$150.00
181Thomas Point08/01/969/13/9643 839 (796)$150.00
136Hilton Head01/01/9312/1/94699 1491 (792)$415.00
145Assateague01/01/946/12/95527 1298 (771)$135.00
194Sanibel Island06/01/973/1/97(92)670 (762) 
140Diamond Head01/01/946/19/95534 1291 (757)$140.00
138St. Augustine01/01/9312/22/94720 1470 (750)$450.00
177Alcatraz03/01/967/22/96143 892 (749)$150.00
163Cape Canaveral03/01/968/7/96159 876 (717)$110.00
180Drum Point 02/01/971/27/97(5)703 (708)$100.00
137St. Simons01/01/931/16/95745 1445 (700)$200.00
187Middle Bay01/01/971/27/9726 703 (677)$100.00
128S.E. Block Island07/01/9211/15/94867 1507 (640)$230.00
196Cape Henry (Old & New)06/01/977/9/9738 540 (502) 
133Tybee01/01/935/23/95872 1318 (446)$135.00
134Key West 01/01/935/23/95872 1318 (446)$180.00
104Sandy Hook01/01/915/25/941240 1681 (441)$200.00
135Ocracoke01/01/935/30/95879 1311 (432)$135.00
189Morris Island - Then01/01/976/1/97151 578 (427) 
190Morris Island - Now01/01/976/1/97151 578 (427) 
126Nauset Beach07/01/923/30/951002 1372 (370)$150.00
129New London Ledge07/01/923/30/951002 1372 (370)$130.00
118Old Mackinac Point01/01/921/27/951122 1434 (312)$150.00
148New Canal01/01/958/7/96584 876 (292)$85.00
168Cape May04/01/964/8/97372 632 (260) 
117Boston Harbor07/01/911/27/951306 1434 (128)$130.00
158Currituck11/01/954/8/97524 632 (108)$130.00
144Heceta Head07/07/948/21/96776 862 (86) 
182Spectacle Reef12/01/956/1/97548 578 (30) 
183Saint Joseph North Pier12/01/956/1/97548 578 (30) 
18430 Mile Point12/01/956/1/97548 578 (30) 
121Marblehead01/01/926/19/951265 1291 (26)$115.00
124Split Rock01/01/926/19/951265 1291 (26)$120.00
175Cape Lookout02/01/967/7/97522 542 (20) 
101Admiralty Head01/01/9112/22/941451 1470 (19)$135.00
151Jupiter01/01/9512/23/96722 738 (16)$125.00
152Tawas Point01/01/9512/23/96722 738 (16)$100.00
185Sharps Island09/01/9610/24/97418 433 (15) 

Calculations done on 12/31/98


Based on *today's* market - what are the sleepers? Oh, how 'bout Cape May, or Currituck? I think Holland and Burrow's Island are still gonna move up.

What to Buy? Where it gets interesting is to see the rankings for all the models that *aren't* on this list. Down the road, I'll post some of those numbers. A tidbit for now: there's a lot of pieces lined up behind Pensacola.

What do you think?

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Appropriate credits to 'Collecting Figures' magazine.


[This message has been edited by JTimothyA (edited 12-31-98).]

Re: HL Factoid #11 part 1 - What to Buy? #72737 12/31/98 06:23 PM
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Tim,

Thanks for a good attempt to discern a method to the madness. The correlations hold up fairly well with just enough anomalies to prove that predictability of HL futures will never become a sure thing.

I think that Ocracoke has certainly awakened, but that Cape Henry and Morris Island may have a longer nap before showing some life on the secondary market. Although Jupiter has a relatively low negative, I think its desirability has been recognized.

As you note, there are a lot of variables to account for and some just don't respond to reason.

Maybe you can start the HL Handicappers' Club complete with pick sheets like at the track.

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Thanks for the feedback, Rich. These are the only regular LE models with a negative result for the far right column. Here are the others with a negative that weren't included in my list of standard LEs.

Big Bay Point (976)
Point Fermin (641)
Colchester Reef (610)
White Shoal (487)
New Point Loma (457)
Rose Island REXA (328)
Stonington Harbor (65)
Legacy Lighthouse (61)

All of these are slightly skewed because, except for the Legacy Light, they have a fixed retirement date.

Remember the ones in the chart and above are the only pieces with a negative rating - all other retired models have a positive result. So if a model gets a negative rating at all, keep an eye on it.

As for low positives, the lowest is West Quoddy at 30, followed by Bolivar 57, Biloxi 89, and Pensacola 109. Finding any of these at retail warrants snapping them up. (West Quoddy is out, but the others can be had through Retired@Retail )

Another consideration that makes the algorithm interesting is the how the ratings come out on the 'less desirable' end of things. Consider the models with the 'worst' (least desirable) ratings:

Cape Blanco 1461
North Head 1382
St. George's 1263
Yaquina Head 1201
Grosse Point 1067

Pretty much what you'd expect. It was actually this end of the results that surprised me the most.

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Re: HL Factoid #11 part 1 - What to Buy? #72739 01/26/00 01:13 AM
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after losing several of my AOL factoids, I wanna hang to these...

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