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#6662 - 11/21/98 04:51 AM Pensacola variation?
Bob M Offline
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I saw two Pensacolas today with different color roofs. The color variation could be described as something similar to the color variation on the brick work of the Round Island HL. Is this a recognized variation or just a different color paint job not considered a variation?

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#6663 - 11/21/98 05:14 AM Re: Pensacola variation?
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Haven't heard of this before Bob - Can you describe the colors a bit? And the numbers on the two pieces?

On my #306, the color is a kind of brownish-rust, like phillipine mahogoney or PMS 174 for those in the printing trades.
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#6664 - 11/21/98 01:00 PM Re: Pensacola variation?
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Just looked at my HL-150 and the roof of the house is a reddish brown with a shiny finish (#761). The tower roof is black.

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#6665 - 11/21/98 09:57 PM Re: Pensacola variation?
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On my Pensacola #2260, the roof is a brownish-rust color.

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#6666 - 11/22/98 03:44 AM Re: Pensacola variation?
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I didn't think to write down the edition#s but they were both at the same store, side by side. I think the #'s were in the mid 3000's. I would describe the roofs as one being a dark brown and the other being more like a golden tan color. A very obvious difference. I would think both came through that way. Let me know what you think...

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#6667 - 11/22/98 04:47 AM Re: Pensacola variation?
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Mine (#4502) has a dark brown roof - not reddish at all.

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#6668 - 11/22/98 07:16 AM Re: Pensacola variation?
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I just checked my other pieces looking for another roof of the same shade. The closest I found was Point Arena. I've got two, one looks virtually identical to the Pensacola roof shade while the second appears to have a little more yellow mixed in with the brown. I wish I had John's color panels for comparison.

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#6669 - 11/22/98 09:25 AM Re: Pensacola variation?
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John, Can you scan in the PMS color sample and get a reliable result? If you try it, I can verify it against the PMS book I have at work. No guarantee that everyone's system will see it the same, though. Tim, anything we could do to somehow calibrate our systems to the right color balance?

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#6670 - 11/22/98 03:56 PM Re: Pensacola variation?
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I observed and commented on this difference last year when the AOL boards were still very active. The difference is hard to describe but very obvious if you are able to get the two pieces side-by-side. I think the consensus then was that it's not a variation like Round Island or Beavertail because HL did not ask for it. It's probably just the paints available to the artist at the time.

Still, it's a definite difference and for Rod, at least, maybe worth watching out for.

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#6671 - 11/22/98 06:10 PM Re: Pensacola variation?
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I think the color difference that has been observered on Pensacola is typical in a production run from Harbour Lights. I have seen several examples of varying shades of color on a number of HL models. Most notably on Currituck, NC. I have seen Currituck with an orange red brown that looks very much like the real Currituck to a shade that is almost entirely dark brown. I believe these "differences" (NOTE: I did not term them "variations") are typical for the following reasons:

1. The entire run of a HL model (10,000 these days is not produced at one time. Hence the paints are not all mixed at once and therefore slight differences in color are the norm.

2. The models are painted by hand by individuals. Now I know that they have specific directions for painting but I don't know anyone who doesn't use a little artistic license now and then.

3. While quality control at HL is excellent, its a safe bet that they don't individually inspect every last detail of each and every piece, if they did so, nothing would ever go out the door because the task would be too time consuming.

IMHO, minor painting "differences" (this does not included changes ordered by HL) will never be "variations" nor will they add significant value to a given piece, besides, in order to be sure you had one of everything (if you are *THAT SERIOUS* about your collection), you would have to own the entire production run of *EACH & EVERY* piece!

Now, I must get back to rattling my chains and scaring the keepers and their guests.

Respectfully,

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#6672 - 11/25/98 11:00 PM Re: Pensacola variation?
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Our Pensacola, #8085 is a brownish-rust roof on the house.

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#6673 - 11/26/98 04:59 AM Re: Pensacola variation?
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Tim, anything we could do to somehow calibrate our systems to the right color balance?


I'll give you the standard consultant's answer: "It depends". :-)

Mostly a function of you monitor and whether it gives the ability to adjust its gun(s) for Red Green and Blue. Some of the better monitors do come with color calibration software which includes a color chart you match against your on screen adjustments.

There are also rather pricey optical devices that will read the monitors output and give you data to use in a more scientific approach. Who knows what people see?

In all honesty, I don't know too much about this topic but can dig into it a bit more. I seem to remember PC Magazine often includes some information of this type in monitor reviews.

Fwiw, there's a big difference in monitor quality. Picture tube, which determines dot pitch, is very important but so is the quality of the electronics (capacitors, etc.). Mitsubishi and Sony make some of the better picture tubes. You get what you pay for.

My personal brand of preference is Nanao (recently renamed to Eizo) monitors. I pretty much order these exclusively at work and at home I've been using my trusty Nanao F550i 17" over four years now - newer models are even better. NEC makes a reasonable mid-tier monitor for home users.

Sorry this is a bit off-topic - probably shoulda posted in the FATF.

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#6674 - 11/26/98 04:43 PM Re: Pensacola variation?
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Thanks, Tim for the reply. It was all I expected from FSB Consultants, Inc., and more!

So there are no real technological obstacles (though there may be some monetary ones!). Guess it's up to you now, John! But go ahead and finish working with Forum software v. 5.1456654758978567464 and get some rest first!

Putting the greater good ahead of self-interest for a change,

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