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#72857 - 03/19/06 01:47 AM Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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What's going to happen with the numbers when the LE's reach 399? The GLOW's reach 499... etc. We are already at 691 so there can only be 8 more before that sequence reaches the 700's and that is the Christmas pieces.

Just something that crossed my mind confused
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#72858 - 03/19/06 01:58 AM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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I don't have any idea what they'd be able to do in the LE catergory, but my guess is that with the Specials/Christmas, they'll just bleed into the next available 700s number. Running out of numbers in the 700s series won't be a worry for another 90 years or so, and they're basically special editions anyway. So it's easily combinable.

There isn't as easy a path with the LEs, though.
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#72859 - 03/19/06 02:23 AM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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399 then what?
A good question. You think this subject would have been discussed long before now. We touched on this just a little last year, When BobM mentioned it. He got no response. I think either HL did poor planning for the future when they did their numbering or they never planned on Limited editions going this far. I remember Bill saying that he only started the LEs because that was the only way that they could sell lighthouses. I personally feel that Harbour Lights likes the open editions and probably planned on eventually dissolving the LEs and switch totally to open editions. But because of the strength of their collectors could never morally dissolve the LEs.
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#72860 - 03/19/06 03:03 AM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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HL001 thru HL100 are still available for limited edition lighthouses..
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#72861 - 03/19/06 04:25 AM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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Well, duh. . . .goes along with why this is the 21st century. . . .

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#72862 - 03/19/06 05:06 AM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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My Guess:

LE : 1000-3999
Glow: 4000-4999
Society(if it continues?): 5000-5999
Special Edition: 6000-6999
X-mas: 7000-7999

Maybe this will be what the new owners start out with to differentiate them from the founders....
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#72863 - 03/19/06 08:06 AM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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Very interesting guess, Jim. Sounds very logical to me. Just add a zero to each of the categories.
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#72864 - 03/19/06 01:02 PM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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Jim, I too like your guess. It makes more sence than anything I could come up with. And so simple too. Time will tell! Thanks for you thoughts.
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#72865 - 03/19/06 01:58 PM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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Jim
I also like your guess.
This way the old numbers are kept, So we don't have to re-invent the wheel.
The idea I had which I am not sure I like as well is to reuse the same numbers but change the HL number to something else or start adding the HL directly infront of the numbers.
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#72866 - 03/19/06 04:35 PM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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Quote:
LE : 1000-3999
Glow: 4000-4999
Society(if it continues?): 5000-5999
Special Edition: 6000-6999
X-mas: 7000-7999
Quote:
HL001 thru HL100 are still available for limited edition lighthouses..
The above are distinct possibilities. Perhaps a blend of each could be possible. It would be nice to stay with the 3-digit LE designated product number for as long as possible. Perhaps using a few of the 001-100 numbers for a few special LE's each year would be nice followed with some of the 4-digit numbers to cover the rest of the releases.

I think LE's are here to stay as long as there are enough collectors to purchase them all within a reasonable period of time. I believe the CF can and will have a lot to do with it.

The new owners just have to log on to the CF to see what is happening in the HL collecting world. This web site is like a constant customer survey of their products. Many people here speak up about the pros and cons of this collectible. I'm sure their opinions probably fit right in with the thoughts of those who choose not to speak up. We speak up, and Harbour Lights listens. We have been fortunate to experience this in the past and I have no doubt our opinions will matter in the future with the new owners.

Here's some food for thought. Just consider what would happen if only enough LE's were made to satisfy demand. Just imagine if Harbour Lights could definitely depend on "X" amount of each LE being sold. Many of these could be autoships and the others would be purchased through the dealers. This "X" amount would have to sell out within a specific amount of time. After that point, no more will be offered. Hard thing to do? It could be.

HL Dealers will not be forced to take certain amounts of lights not from their region of the country unless they request them. Autoships will remain the same as long as their customer base demands it.

Instead of having dealers from one side of the country sell lights from the other side of the country, they will have the option of passing on certain new releases that they feel will not sell in their area. One would think New England area lights will sell better in New England and west coast lights will sell better on the west coast. Funnel the majority of those lights through the dealers with the best chance of selling them out.

Here's when it starts to get interesting. Research shows that if "X" amount of LE's are made, they will sell out. This means no "dogs" sitting on dealer's shelves or in their stock rooms. This would inspire an "I had better buy it while it is available" attitude. Remember we are talking serious collectors here, not people buying giftware for a relative or friend.

The sooner the latest releases disappear from the dealer at retail the more likely there could be an appreciation in value. I don't think people are going to rush out and buy the latest release at retail to put it right on eBay at half of what they paid for it.

If a dealer can move their stock right out, they will be happy. If a collector gets the feeling his or her new LE is still worth what they paid for it, then their collective juices will once again flow. They will be back at the dealer for the next new release before they miss the opportunity to purchase it at retail.

(X=?)The answer to this problem is something that will have to be determined by Harbour Lights. Will "X" equal 3500 LE's, or perhaps 4000 LE's, or maybe the original number of 5500 LE's? There has to be some figure that will balance the equation of keeping the collectors happy while Harbour Lights can earn a well deserved profit.

If every pieces sells out at retail, then there will be no bargains on eBay. That would be the ultimate dream of HL collectors. That would bring back the demand this collectible once enjoyed.

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#72867 - 03/19/06 05:24 PM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers?
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Bill younger and I had this conversation the last time the number issue was brought up in the forums and I believe he said they really hadn't thought that much about it but they would probably just add a digit like Jim suggested in his post..

Most of the ornaments are already 4 digit numbers, example:

HL713 Ornaments (2001)
HL7064 Dunkirk Signed
HL7065 Ship John Shoal Signed
HL7066 Rockland Breakwater Signed
HL7067 Hereford Inlet Signed
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#204255 - 07/29/11 03:01 PM Re: Whats gona happen with the numbers? [Re: Shortcake]
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Well the HL's have reached 399 and have jumped to 836.

Anyone have any insight into this decision?

Is there a reason or just "oh this sounds good" ?

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