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Market Ticker II #142515 05/03/00 03:40 PM
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This is a continuation of the Market Ticker thread.

Click here to see the thread that started it all.

The old way of linking each month in this section is no longer working properly. Apparently, PhotoPoint doesn't like me posting high-res charts here without their ad banners, so they miniaturize my charts when I link to them directly. I have provided a new link below to the album that has all the charts. Clicking on this link will open the PotoPoint album page. Click on the month you are interested in. It will open with a low-res image. Click on the image on the PhotoPoint page and a full resolution, full size chart should open. Sorry for the inconvenience, but hey, what do you want for nothin'?

Here's the new link.

Click here to download the Excel 5.0 Spreadsheet with all data. I update this last file a couple of times per week (usually), so if you want the latest, download the spreadsheet. If you want a good idea about what the going price is for any of the pieces tracked, check out the graphs for each piece. Nothing tells the story like a picture. The graphs are a part of the spreadsheet. Access the graphs by clicking on the tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet. They're arranged by HL model number.

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Re: Market Ticker II #142516 05/04/00 01:44 AM
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And a side note, there were 2 sucessfull New Point Loma auctions.
one @$610.00 and one @710.00 for an average price of $660.00

Is the price starting to rise again on these ?

Mark

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Thanks for the "update", Art.


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What an incredible job you have done in tracking these. I sure appreciate the information and look forward to future updates. Thanks for a job well done!


Keep Shining!

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Art,

Thanks for the hard work & updates.

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Thanks for the info art. you make it nice for the new guys.

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Art,

Many thanks for the update.

I do look forward to the stats on HL's

Keep it up,
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Art,
Thanks for all you are doing. This really helps those of us that are still trying to get some of the older pieces.

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How 'bout including year-to-date averages?


Is it me or is that font getting smaller,
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Re: Market Ticker II #142524 09/13/00 03:55 AM
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Tim, I fixed the image size for you.

I agree that the YTD numbers are more important than those of any one month. I encourage all to download the spreadsheet (last link in the first posting in this thread) and look at the graphs. One can easily estimate not only the average for the year (by eyeballing an imaginary centerline through all the data points), but you can also spot trends, highs, lows, etc. easily this way as well. Importantly, looking at the graph puts the data into time-ordered context -- something that a chart of numbers doesn't do well. That is why I have chosen to present the data as I have.

How 'bout taking a peek? Then we can chat about what it is (if anything) that we are seeing there.

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I've noticed Ebay prices way down this month! Everybody's spending on back to school. There are a lot of seasonal trends that you'll be able to show after a time.


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We saw the same downward trend this time last year on ebay. I think we discussed it here or in another topic at the time. Seems to be a seasonal thing. If the money if available, it is a good time to buy. They will go up the closer it gets to Christmas.


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September data are in:

Sept, 2000 Successful eBay Auctions on Selected HL Models


avg.avg.
ModelPiece NameSearch Name# auctionsprice# bidslowhigh
HL103West Quoddy HeadQuoddy1$142.504.0$142.50 $142.50
HL108Burrows IslandBurrows0
HL113Ft. Niagara(Orv)2$88.397.5$76.77 $100.00
HL115St. George's Reef(Orv)2$50.513.5$41.06 $59.95
HL116Castle Hill(Orv)3$87.425.0$77.25 $99.00
HL117Boston HarborBoston1$142.5010.0$142.50 $142.50
HL118Old MackinacMackinac2$143.25 6.5$135.00 $151.50
HL122Buffalo(Orv)1$95.00 1.0$95.00 $95.00
HL124Split RockSplit Rock1$85.00 2.0$85.00 $85.00
HL126Nauset BeachNauset0
HL128SE Block Island(Orv)0
HL135Ocracoke IslandOcracoke3$300.92 13.7$282.75 $330.00
HL138St. AugustineAugustine2$330.30 8.0$310.60 $350.00
HL139BarnegatBarnegat1$176.10 4.0$176.10 $176.10
HL140Diamond HeadDiamond Head1$184.50 9.0$184.50 $184.50
HL141Cape NeddickNeddick3$155.83 3.7$143.50 $175.00
HL142HollandHolland0
HL143Montauk PointMontauk1$150.00 1.0$150.00 $150.00
HL145Assateague Mold 2Assateague2$150.00 19.0$140.00 $160.00
HL151Jupiter Inlet(Orv)2$156.50 12.0$133.50 $179.49
HL156Point ArenaArena2$133.00 4.5$97.00 $169.00
HL158CurrituckCurrituck2$105.75 5.0$99.00 $112.50
HL163Cape Canaveral(Orv)7$109.43 3.9$94.00 $122.50
HL168Cape MayCape May4$77.88 4.5$61.00 $95.01
HL175Cape LookoutLookout3$72.17 2.0$69.00 $74.35
HL177Alcatraz Island(Orv)3$82.50 2.0$69.50 $99.99
HL181Thomas PointThomas3$88.33 2.0$71.00 $99.00
HL189, HL190Morris Island, Then & Now SetMorris5$86.60 8.8$80.00 $99.99
HL194Sanibel IslandSanibel7$113.40 5.0$100.00 $125.00
HL196Cape HenryHenry3$69.17 6.3$66.00 $71.51
HL209Cape FloridaCape Florida8$53.51 4.3$47.00 $59.50
HL225Hillsboro InletHillsboro4$96.12 6.3$77.97 $107.51
HL501Point FerminFermin6$97.59 4.3$63.01 $125.00
HL502Stonington Harbor(Orv)5$78.82 3.4$67.54 $95.00
HL503Spyglass Set(Orv)2$49.50 3.5$44.00 $55.00
HL602Sunken RockSunken Rock3$43.85 4.7$40.50 $46.05
HL603EdgartownEdgartown4$50.99 4.5$38.00 $77.00
HL700Big Bay PointBig Bay0
HL701Colchester ReefColchester4$49.99 1.0$49.95 $50.00
HL704White ShoalWhite Shoal3$84.00 5.3$76.01 $91.00



Last Updated on 10/9/00

By Art Seaman & Orv White, c. 2000

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Re: Market Ticker II #142528 10/07/00 03:50 AM
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Apparently, PhotoPoint doesn't like me posting high-res charts here without their ad banners, so they miniaturize my charts when I link to them. For you feeble-sighted folks, please try the link below. The PhotoPoint album page will open. Click on the month you are interested in. It will open with the same low-res image you see above. Click on the image on the PhotoPoint page and a full resolution, full size chart should open. Sorry for the inconvenience, but hey, what do you want for nothin'?

Here's the link.

Sorry, Netscape users. It seems this high-res strategy only works with Microsoft Internet Explorer, at least on my machine.

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Art -

Does your ISP include disk space with your subscription? You can store your high-res images there and display them within a message. Let me know if you need assistance.

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Thanks Tim. Yes, my ISP does provide space, but most of it is spoken for by a website about my kids' hockey team. I'm looking for another (free) way to do this. Open to all suggestions.

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Hey Art:

First time i have seen your posts......great job and very helpful info.

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Fresh data, and just in time for the election. Recommended battlecry: "It's the Secondary HL Market, stupid!"
DISCLAIMER: The above comment is not aimed at anyone here. It is supposed to be a light reference to the election of '92)

October, 2000 Successful eBay Auctions on Selected HL Models


ModelPiece NameSearch Name# auctionsavg. priceavg. # bidslowhigh
HL103West Quoddy HeadQuoddy1$66.005.0$66.00 $66.00
HL108Burrows IslandBurrows0
HL113Ft. Niagara(Orv)2$90.504.5$90.00 $91.00
HL115St. George's Reef(Orv)3$56.832.3$44.51 $75.00
HL116Castle Hill(Orv)2$81.0015.5$71.00 $91.00
HL117Boston HarborBoston1$125.001.0$125.00 $125.00
HL118Old MackinacMackinac2$132.51 8.5$127.51 $137.50
HL122Buffalo(Orv)3$71.33 5.0$52.00 $81.00
HL124Split RockSplit Rock2$71.06 2.5$66.12 $76.00
HL126Nauset BeachNauset2$201.75 11.5$200.00 $203.50
HL128SE Block Island(Orv)0
HL135Ocracoke IslandOcracoke1$315.01 15.0$315.01 $315.01
HL138St. AugustineAugustine0
HL139BarnegatBarnegat2$330.76 12.0$305.00 $356.51
HL140Diamond HeadDiamond Head3$169.77 7.7$132.49 $200.01
HL141Cape NeddickNeddick2$163.75 7.0$127.50 $200.00
HL142HollandHolland2$127.05 5.5$126.07 $128.02
HL143Montauk PointMontauk1$139.50 2.0$139.50 $139.50
HL145Assateague Mold 2Assateague2$118.75 5.5$117.50 $120.00
HL151Jupiter Inlet(Orv)5$170.61 11.6$155.00 $202.00
HL156Point ArenaArena3$112.50 2.7$100.00 $122.50
HL158CurrituckCurrituck6$113.54 6.0$96.00 $125.00
HL163Cape Canaveral(Orv)6$99.75 4.5$80.00 $114.50
HL168Cape MayCape May2$79.02 5.0$74.01 $84.02
HL175Cape LookoutLookout1$81.00 2.0$81.00 $81.00
HL177Alcatraz Island(Orv)4$82.00 4.3$75.00 $91.01
HL181Thomas PointThomas1$120.00 1.0$120.00 $120.00
HL189, HL190Morris Island, Then & Now SetMorris4$94.37 2.3$76.00 $102.50
HL194Sanibel IslandSanibel5$125.23 4.4$103.67 $137.50
HL196Cape HenryHenry2$59.52 5.5$40.00 $79.04
HL209Cape FloridaCape Florida2$57.75 3.5$56.00 $59.50
HL225Hillsboro InletHillsboro3$86.67 5.3$80.00 $99.00
HL501Point FerminFermin2$106.25 2.0$90.00 $122.50
HL502Stonington Harbor(Orv)4$100.88 5.5$85.00 $125.00
HL503Spyglass Set(Orv)1$30.00 3.0$30.00 $30.00
HL602Sunken RockSunken Rock3$79.83 5.3$36.00 $152.50
HL603EdgartownEdgartown3$43.57 6.7$38.22 $46.50
HL700Big Bay PointBig Bay5$223.63 7.4$201.00 $255.00
HL701Colchester ReefColchester2$78.51 2.5$68.01 $89.00
HL704White ShoalWhite Shoal2$81.25 1.5$72.50 $90.00


Last Updated on 11/3/00
© 2000 by Art Seaman & Orv White
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Art, thanks for all you work in tracking these prices. It is very valuable when you are in the market for something to have some solid data to go by. Is it possible to add one column to the end of each monthly chart? If you could add the average price of your total data for each lighthouse to the monthly chart it would be useful without downloading the updated spreadsheet each month. Thanks again.
PS I was lucky enough to win that $127.50 Cape Neddick and it came broken in the mail!
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Hey JJ, ...Broken in the mail? That's sad...

I've been very lucky with pieces that have come through the mail. The only thing I ever received that broke was the Anchor Bay Purse Seiner, Tori Dawn. It is my belief this happend because of poor packing procedures. Needless to say, the seller graciously gave me a credit on my Mastercard when I shipped the remains back to South Carolina. Nothing ventured...nothing gained...

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Oh no JJ... I'm so sorry to hear that, and such a great deal on Cape Neddick too. I do hope it was properly insured. Insurance or not though, it's going to be hard to come across another deal like that. I'll keep a lookout for you!

Tim - Keeping the flame lit...

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Great find on a great piece, JJ. I'm so sorry about the breakage.

The average really doesn't change that much from month to month on most pieces, so I'm not sure it would be worth the extra effort to calculate and add that extra column every month. However, there are months when significant anomolies occur, so I'll grant that using the current month's average isn't always the best guage. Since this is not the first time that this has been suggested, I am considering doing something about it, but I probably won't do it monthly.

My current thought is to do a year-end summary once the December data are in. Then I will add the last year's average for each piece to all future charts for comparison. That will be a static column, month-to-month. I may update it annually, semi-annually or maybe even quarterly (if I feel ambitious or if significant market changes are apparent), but not monthly.

Again, my intent here never was to set prices on individual pieces so much as to take the pulse of the market overall.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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This is a Q about the ebay ticker sheet I don't know if this is Art's or somebody else's but what does "Fog signal factor & argand factor mean
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That's not the Market Ticker spreadsheet, Larry. That one is Tim's baby. I'll defer to him for explanation.

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Direct from Tim's spreadsheet:

c) The Fog Signal Value Factor applies to Retired Pieces and equals 'Days on Market at Retirement minus Days Since Retirement'.
d) The Argand Wick Factor applies to Retired Pieces and factors in their Edition Size. It equals The Fog Signal Value Factor divided by Edition Size times 1000.

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Thanks for the imfo I'm still learning although I think I am a truly "WACKO" for I want to get more & more of these great pieces I have a lot to learn. for I started in April or I should say the wife started it by getting 99 xmass piece for my birthday I now have 35 and at least 5 more to get by end of year


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Sorry for the delay in posting these data. I know you've all been checking here daily to see if I've updated yet (tic). Heck, with Christmas right around the corner, I know that no one has anything else to do.

It's a poor excuse, I know, but I've been bedridden with the flu for the last week and a half. Feeling well enought this morning to drag my carcass to the PC, I made this my first priority.

NOV, 2000 Successful eBay Auctions on Selected HL Models
ModelPiece NameSearch Name# auctionsavg priceavg # bidslowhigh
HL103West Quoddy HeadQuoddy3$136.6711.3$112.50$150.00
HL108Burrows IslandBurrows0    
HL113Ft. Niagara(Orv)3$113.3310.3$100.00$137.50
HL115St. George's Reef(Orv)1$53.4613.0$53.46$53.46
HL116Castle Hill(Orv)3$77.564.7$57.68$95.00
HL117Boston HarborBoston2$150.845.0$125.00$176.67
HL118Old MackinacMackinac2$109.53 8.5$91.00$128.05
HL122Buffalo(Orv)0    
HL124Split RockSplit Rock5$78.40 11.4$45.99$100.00
HL126Nauset BeachNauset2$160.00 1.0$160.00$160.00
HL128SE Block Island(Orv)1$400.00 11.0$400.00$400.00
HL135Ocracoke IslandOcracoke4$365.02 17.3$355.00$390.09
HL138St. AugustineAugustine0    
HL139BarnegatBarnegat2$335.00 6.5$325.00$345.00
HL140Diamond HeadDiamond Head1$102.50 7.0$102.50$102.50
HL141Cape NeddickNeddick2$155.75 4.0$155.50$155.99
HL142HollandHolland3$168.51 8.3$150.00$200.50
HL143Montauk PointMontauk4$135.06 8.3$112.50$152.50
HL145Assateague Mold 2Assateague4$138.50 8.0$85.00$227.50
HL151Jupiter Inlet(Orv)1$205.01 9.0$205.01$205.01
HL156Point ArenaArena3$90.67 4.7$72.02$100.00
HL158CurrituckCurrituck6$104.92 10.0$78.00$132.50
HL163Cape Canaveral(Orv)5$100.98 12.8$80.00$145.00
HL168Cape MayCape May3$72.68 14.0$64.01$79.99
HL175Cape LookoutLookout4$73.00 3.5$49.99$91.00
HL177Alcatraz Island(Orv)5$76.80 2.8$66.00$91.00
HL181Thomas PointThomas2$125.76 6.0$114.00$137.51
HL189, HL190Morris Island, Then & Now SetMorris7$97.64 3.7$85.00$105.00
HL194Sanibel IslandSanibel5$106.60 1.8$79.00$125.00
HL196Cape HenryHenry6$64.34 4.3$56.01$76.00
HL209Cape FloridaCape Florida1$56.00 3.0$56.00$56.00
HL225Hillsboro InletHillsboro4$107.50 8.3$75.01$175.00
HL501Point FerminFermin2$82.50 6.0$76.00$89.00
HL502Stonington Harbor(Orv)2$143.25 12.0$119.00$167.50
HL503Spyglass Set(Orv)2$32.75 1.5$20.50$45.00
HL602Sunken RockSunken Rock6$38.00 4.2$30.00$51.00
HL603EdgartownEdgartown2$60.00 9.0$41.00$79.00
HL700Big Bay PointBig Bay6$218.84 11.0$199.01$240.50
HL701Colchester ReefColchester8$57.50 1.1$45.00$75.00
HL704White ShoalWhite Shoal3$64.17 2.3$50.00$71.51

Last Updated on 11/30/00
By Art Seaman & Orv, © 2000


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Re: Market Ticker II #142542 12/17/00 10:19 PM
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Art, I for one do love seeing the stat sheet. Thanks for making it possible. Glad you are feelin better. -Joe

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Hi Art, Good to see you`re feeling better and I also check over your numbers with interest.
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Art:

Did you use the "buy it now" prices or not?

Larry

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Yes, the BIN prices are included. It seemed that the majority thought they were valid auctions and should be included, so I did include them. I still think that the data will be skewed by them, but, oh well.

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December, 2000, Successful eBay Auctions of Selected Harbour Lights

ModelPiece NameSearch Name# auctionsavg priceavg # bidslowhigh
HL103West Quoddy HeadQuoddy2$118.415.5$104.26 $132.55
HL108Burrows IslandBurrows2$228.008.0$200.00 $256.00
HL113Ft. Niagara(Orv)1$142.506.0$142.50 $142.50
HL115St. George's Reef(Orv)3$52.001.7$46.01 $55.00
HL116Castle Hill(Orv)2$74.007.0$72.00 $76.00
HL117Boston HarborBoston1$150.004.0$150.00 $150.00
HL118Old MackinacMackinac1$120.50 4.0$120.50 $120.50
HL122Buffalo(Orv)1$62.00 1.0$62.00 $62.00
HL124Split RockSplit Rock1$66.00 8.0$66.00 $66.00
HL126Nauset BeachNauset2$187.13 5.5$174.25 $200.00
HL128SE Block Island(Orv)1$255.01 3.0$255.01 $255.01
HL135Ocracoke IslandOcracoke1$305.00 19.0$305.00 $305.00
HL138St. AugustineAugustine3$328.67 7.0$255.00 $375.00
HL139BarnegatBarnegat1$220.00 3.0$220.00 $220.00
HL140Diamond HeadDiamond Head1$152.50 2.0$152.50 $152.50
HL141Cape NeddickNeddick1$200.00 1.0$200.00 $200.00
HL142HollandHolland0
HL143Montauk PointMontauk2$128.75 5.5$107.50 $150.00
HL145Assateague Mold 2Assateague4$108.78 7.3$90.50 $141.10
HL151Jupiter Inlet(Orv)0
HL156Point ArenaArena3$88.67 6.0$80.00 $95.00
HL158CurrituckCurrituck4$99.13 5.3$96.01 $102.50
HL163Cape Canaveral(Orv)4$88.76 3.3$82.05 $95.00
HL168Cape MayCape May2$70.00 1.0$64.99 $75.00
HL175Cape LookoutLookout3$69.00 3.3$59.00 $75.00
HL177Alcatraz Island(Orv)10$67.51 2.8$55.00 $82.00
HL181Thomas PointThomas2$98.00 3.5$86.00 $110.00
HL189, HL190Morris Island, Then & Now SetMorris3$93.83 2.3$74.00 $117.50
HL194Sanibel IslandSanibel3$98.83 9.3$96.00 $103.50
HL196Cape HenryHenry2$62.50 1.0$59.99 $65.00
HL209Cape FloridaCape Florida2$53.57 11.0$46.00 $61.13
HL225Hillsboro InletHillsboro2$114.30 9.0$105.59 $123.00
HL501Point FerminFermin3$95.33 1.7$86.00 $105.00
HL502Stonington Harbor(Orv)4$87.75 3.3$56.00 $110.00
HL503Spyglass Set(Orv)3$44.67 1.0$40.00 $49.00
HL602Sunken RockSunken Rock5$34.80 2.8$19.99 $59.00
HL603EdgartownEdgartown1$30.00 1.0$30.00 $30.00
HL700Big Bay PointBig Bay8$194.04 14.3$152.50 $223.06
HL701Colchester ReefColchester5$56.00 5.0$45.00 $75.00
HL704White ShoalWhite Shoal1$85.00 1.0$85.00 $85.00

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Re: Market Ticker II #142547 02/07/01 04:07 AM
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Stick a fork in Y2K, it's done. Fast-forward to 2001: eBay Odyssey or check out the end-of-year 2000 totals in eBay-Y2K: The Year in Review

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