New Release Expected Arrival Date
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06/20/07 11:42 PM
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New releases that are expected to arrive in late June to early July:
HL350 Annisquam Harbor, MA HL478 Whitefish Point, MI HL722 2007 XMAS - Hospital Point, MA HB906 Old North Church, MA
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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06/25/07 01:04 PM
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Sweet !!!
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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06/27/07 12:29 AM
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I can't wait to get mine. Better make sure there is still room on the credit card.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/05/07 11:18 PM
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Well it's early July..... anybody got a call from there HL dealer saying to come on down!!! (why do I feel I've been reading too many Price Is Right new stories )
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/07/07 09:53 PM
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Here's hoping they're at our HL dealers by next weekend!
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/13/07 08:33 PM
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New releases that are expected to arrive in late June to early July:
HL350 Annisquam Harbor, MA HL478 Whitefish Point, MI HL722 2007 XMAS - Hospital Point, MA HB906 Old North Church, MA Add the regional piece, Racine Reef to that list. Dealers in the Northeast should begin receiving these pieces by mid-week next week (the 18th). The container has arrived at Harbour Lights and is being sorted into the warehouse. Jim
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/13/07 10:57 PM
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Great New!!! Sounds like we'll have them home by next weekend.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/17/07 05:19 PM
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Annisquam Harbor, MA Whitefish Point, MI Hospital Point, MA - 2007 XMAS
Just arrived at our door this afternoon, from UPS.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/17/07 10:22 PM
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Any update on the Racine Reef & Old North Church pieces? These are the two I currently have funds for.
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/23/07 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Jim Awrey: Annisquam Harbor, MA Whitefish Point, MI Hospital Point, MA - 2007 XMAS
Just arrived at our door this afternoon, from UPS.
Jim It's been very quiet. Anybody get a call from their HL dealer about these? Still haven't heard any updates on Racine Reef or the Old North Church.
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/23/07 06:56 PM
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Racine Reef is in the country and being shipped. Don't know about Old North Church.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/23/07 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Dave H: Racine Reef is in the country and being shipped. Don't know about Old North Church. Thanks for the update, Dave.
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/23/07 10:38 PM
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Racine Reef and Old North Church are being shipped separately to the dealers. As soon as they have shipped all of the Racine Reef pieces, they will ship out Old North Church.
We have not received Racine Reef yet. Hopefully, tomorrow.
Jim
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/23/07 10:39 PM
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Received my Racine Reef Friday from LHD!! A beautiful piece! Rick
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/26/07 01:08 AM
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I cannot believe these are already selling on e-bay: Annisquam Harbor, MA Hospital Point, MA - 2007 XMAS HCS
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/26/07 01:55 AM
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These are obviously Harbour Lights dealers hiding behind the anonymity of eBay, concealing their true names and locations because what they are doing is a violation of their dealer agreement.
Taking off their masks involves determining which number pieces they are selling. They know that so they don't include that in their posts and they won't respond outrightly if you email them to ask.
If you buy from one of them, they are taking business away from dealers who stay honest to their agreement.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/26/07 09:36 PM
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I like the idea of the historic buildings,looking forward to the Old North Church. I would love to see one of Ellis Island to put next to Lady Liberty!
Jim
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/26/07 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by AZlightkeeper: I like the idea of the historic buildings,looking forward to the Old North Church. I would love to see one of Ellis Island to put next to Lady Liberty! Great idea!!! Doesn't take much to get this Jersey lighthouse (& historic building) enthusiasts going !!!
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/27/07 11:40 PM
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If you buy from one of them, they are taking business away from dealers who stay honest to their agreement. Glad to hear John C. expressing this sentiment. About a year ago, we were involved in a discussion on CF about new pieces showing up on E-Bay. We were saying the exact same things that John is saying now. Since we are a HL dealer, I'm sure there were many CF members who were thinking "Oh, he's just a dealer cryin' the blues." Since then, we have seen many posts about "your latest Harbour Lights." We recognized some of the flag numbers as being ones from these "bad dealers." Now, we have no intention of mentioning these flag numbers, or to bring attention to those who purchased them. We just hope that, with John's comments, you'll realize that you are not supporting Harbour Lights, but jeopardizing the future of Harbour Lights. If you want to help out the "legitimate" dealer network, we encourage you to purchase a new piece from one of these "bad" dealers. Then, e-mail John C. or Tony C. with the flag # of the piece, and they'll be able to track down the "villain." It's embarrassing to admit that two of the 6 or 7 major "bad" dealers are from our own Cape Cod & Islands area. One used to be the #3 dealer in the country! Pretty sad. Jim
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/28/07 12:20 AM
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Does anyone know when the new Christmas ornaments that Harry designed will be out? Also any clue as to the HL numbers? There are six of them. Judy
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07/28/07 10:30 AM
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I am also looking forward to the release of the new ornaments. I hope Paul does some closeup pictures of some of them to see the detail.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/28/07 01:41 PM
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CM101 - St. Augustine, FL CM102 - Cape Hatteras, NC CM103 - Old Mackinac, MI CM104 - Prtland Head, ME CM105 - East Brother, CA CM106 - Fire Island, NY
The latest HL brochure of the new releases pictures these ornaments, but it's still tough to see any detail. Haven't heard an exact arrival date yet.
Jim
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/28/07 07:39 PM
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Thanks, Jim. I must not have the latest brochure but I did see a couple when Harry was here. They are really nice and I think they should be a big hit. I have mine on order but I get all my information from the Forum and then let my dealer know what to expect! Judy
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/30/07 01:45 PM
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Old North Church has arrived!
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/30/07 10:11 PM
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Got word from my dealer that Hospital Point and Annisquam are on there way.
Bert
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/31/07 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Jim Awrey: Old North Church has arrived!
Jim Was it by land or sea?
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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07/31/07 11:05 AM
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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07/31/07 03:20 PM
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I received my Racine Reef, Detroit River and Detroit River Thumbnail today.
Racine Reef is fantastic!
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/02/07 02:08 PM
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This week I picked up my Racine Reef & Old North Church pieces.
Both are exceptional !!!
The Racine Reef piece may be my favorite 2007 LE.
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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08/02/07 02:35 PM
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I picked up Annisquam this past Saturday and I must say I really like this HL. The detail just gets better and better, the boards on the bridge to the light, and the stone work on the back steps of the Keeper's quarters as just a few examples.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by Lighthouse Loon: Originally posted by AZlightkeeper: [b] I like the idea of the historic buildings,looking forward to the Old North Church. I would love to see one of Ellis Island to put next to Lady Liberty! Great idea!!!
Doesn't take much to get this Jersey lighthouse (& historic building) enthusiasts going !!! [/b]After giving this further thought. IMO I'd rather see Harbour Lights focus more on lighthouses then historic buildings, even if its a NJ historic building. There are hundreds of more lighthouses to be done first, then they can get into the HB's.
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 11:54 AM
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You have to remember that Historic Buildings are a separate line that makes use of the technology HL has developed over the years. They help to support the HL line so they really are a good thing. You won't see lots of HB introductions, but nothing wrong with sharing the craftsmanship with other.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 12:28 PM
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Stan: ...I'd rather see Harbour Lights focus more on lighthouses then historic buildings, even if its a NJ historic building. There are hundreds of more lighthouses to be done first, then they can get into the HB's.
Lots more lighthouses to make, but not ones most people have heard of before. While we lighthouse lovers are tuned in, Harbour Lights is looking to expand their horizon. I'd guess 9 of 10 of those who are real lighthouse enthusiasts know the product. And it appears our numbers (the lighthouse lovers) are declining. Having HL successful in a "new" area will assure that they can continue to make smaller edition sizes of the lesser-known lighthouses while not making any more "re-issues" of lighthouses previously made. Tony worked closely with the people at the Old North Church (which has a gift shop BTW) and the piece went through more than one modification to keep it "accurate". Old North Church also receives a royalty on sales to help support their preservation program. "Good works". Giving the Old North Church a "Historic Building / HB" name and product number eases up on the pressure for "got-em-all" Harbour Lights collectors to spend the $99.50 on this one. I expect we'll see another dozen limited edition lighthouse / LSS / Anchor Bay products for 2008 in smaller edition sizes in line with what we saw for 2007. I'm wishing them great success with the Historic Building idea. It could be a wide-open field of monuments, memorials, churches, historic homes and significant government buildings. Buy or not as you choose and if you like 'em. Don't expect to see a lot of them each year. If the quality is in line with what we've seen in lighthouses and the choices are appealing to a larger audience, they will do well. I've not visited the Old North Church, but I'll be buying one. Here's Paul's photo. I bet we can talk him into some great detail shots! Photo by Paul Brady, Copyright Harbour Lights. Used with permission.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 04:11 PM
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I have no problem with Harbour Lights doing more HB's. I love my Old North Church. I'm staring at it this very moment. I plan to collect all the prior HB's as well.
As long as the HB's are in addition to the current lighthouse LE's, GLOWs, & AB's.
Ellis Island would be very special to me. My grandparents came through it in the early 1900's. I grew up only a couple miles from it(as the bird flies).
Can we expect the same amount of LE's, GLOW's, & AB's for 2008 to be the same as 2007 ?
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 04:15 PM
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I got word that my Hospital Point is in but Racine Reef still hasn't arrived. As far as historic pieces but a bit more modern, I would like the National Cathedral in Washington DC with its gargoyles and spires. Judy
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Webmaster:
I expect we'll see another dozen limited edition lighthouse / LSS / Anchor Bay products for 2008 in smaller edition sizes in line with what we saw for 2007.
[/QB] For the record, the 2007 totals are: * 19 LE's (Includes CS, Regional, & Lens) * 5 GLOWs * 1 Anchor Bay * 1 Historic Building * 4 Limited LLOM's (corrected thanks to Paul) Did I miss anything ???
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/03/07 07:46 PM
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4 Limited LLOM's, I believe..
Pointe Aux Barques Thomas Point Light Pottawatomie Light Chatham Light
Onward to The Land of the Midnight Sun!
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/05/07 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Webmaster: I'd guess 9 of 10 of those who are real lighthouse enthusiasts know the product. And it appears our numbers (the lighthouse lovers) are declining. I'm doing my part to keep HL collecting from declining. I'm close to forming a collectors club here in Jersey. Looks to initially be over 25 members. I know thats a drop in the bucket, but we all know what many drops in the bucket does! Originally posted by Webmaster: I expect we'll see another dozen limited edition lighthouse / LSS / Anchor Bay products for 2008 in smaller edition sizes in line with what we saw for 2007.
Is this a possible hint that there's a LSS to be released next year?
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/05/07 01:51 PM
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I have no knowledge of 2008 releases - just covering the bases. Here\'s my source for the dozen LEs It does include the Fresnel, doesn't include the AB, Society, Store and Regional Event Pieces or the Christmas Piece. What's still to come has already been rumored and will be announced in the next 60 days - an Anchor Bay and something else. It's great you're organizating a NJ collectors club!
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/05/07 04:02 PM
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John, My LE totals post wasn't to prove you wrong, you know better then anyone on this board. You just made is sound like you knew what was instore for next year and that there was only 12 LE's including the specialty's(lens, CS, Christmas, etc) for next year . Twelve base LE's plus six or seven specials are a fair number to look forward to each year . Is it really going to be up to 60 days till the AB and last LE are going to be announced??? I thought Tony said it would be in the next Musings, due late August.
Stan M New Jersey Lighthouse Lovers ------------------------------------ Harry Wishlist: Tinicum Rear Range, Miah Maull Shoal, Finns Point, Bergen Point, Cross Ledge, Old Ambrose Lightstation, Romer Shoal, Barnegat Lightship, Liberty Lightship.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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08/05/07 07:16 PM
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Is it really going to be up to 60 days till the AB and last LE are going to be announced??? I thought Tony said it would be in the next Musings, due late August. Just giving Tony lots of wiggle room. I know which side my bread is butter on.
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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03/25/10 11:41 PM
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Just got the old north church, bought two actually. Great piece. The second was for friends of mine. They got engaged in front of the church. I know the HB line is not a big hit, but I think it's a great idea! Still like the ellis island idea.
Jim
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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04/01/10 11:28 AM
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Good Thursday Morning!
Harry and I have been woring together on something very interesting - Watch for a "Special Edition" of the Lighthouse Legacy!
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Re: New Release Expected Arrival Date
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This special edition isn't by chance happen to be related to a "little Mischief" is it? (HA!)
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