I noticed in the last round of auctions there were 2 HL 122 Buffalo, NY AP's, upon closer inspection of the 2 AP's they were not the same piece, they are 2 completely different molds. Then I looked back at all the rest of the "Bill's auction" pieces and found 2 more HL 122 Buffalo pieces that had been auctioned off. And of those 2 pieces there were one of each mold also.
So, are there any more of the 1st mold pieces out there ? of the 4 links I posted the last one is for the Buffalo #1 piece, but it was made in Malaysia, So if are there any other 1st mold pieces they would likely be of Canadian origin.
I also sent Harry an email to see if he had any more info on this, but I have not heard back from him yet.
Since the #1 piece was Malaysian made and #634 in Canada, I think there is a possibility that there are more of the mold 1 type in the early low numbers, since the #1 is a Malaysian inserted in between Canadians.
I also wonder if that mold 1 piece was a California piece that was already in "pre-production" before they switched to Canada and it was just started again from scratch. just wondering since the two mold 1 pieces have the grey felt and one of them had a brown box all though the other has a blue box marked #1467 (obviously not it's original box)
I emailed Harry over this past weekend so hopefully I'll hear back from Harry soon and hopefully he can shed some light on it.
Re: An interesting item to come out of "Bill's auctions"
[Re: Mark Wagner]
#20872505/18/1302:32 PM
In the above about the Flag 1 Since the #1 piece was Malaysian made and #634 in Canada, I think there is a possibility that there are more of the mold 1 type in the early low numbers, since the #1 is a Malaysian inserted in between Canadians.
Doesn't the below answer why a number 1 can be intermixed
From Rich Felter (FLACOASTIE) HL COMPLETE PRODUCT LIST
**Number 1’s** The Youngers usually kept the first 10 production pieces of each replica off the manufacturing line. These pieces were serialized #1 thru #10 and kept for special circumstances. Number 1 was for Bill’s personal collection and Nancy usually kept the last production piece for her personal collection. However, in some cases the standing orders for the dealers were the priority and serial numbers #1 thru #10 were taken from the second shipment of production pieces. A Number 1 doesn’t always mean it was the first piece being produced.
There are more examples of a flag 1 not being a first piece from the ebay auctions
The flag numbers used in the below is based on Last Know in Rich Felter (FLACOASTIE) HARBOUR LIGHTS HL101 THRU HL138 VARIATIONS
HL 118 Old Mackinac Point, MI EBAY ITEM: 170995750852 flag 1 is after flag 2848 as the item auctioned on ebay has no rod and a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 120 Grosse Point, IL flag 1 is after flag 1718 as the item auctioned on ebay has no rod and a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 121 Marblehead, OH EBAY ITEM: 171007482039 flag 1 is after flag 2249 as the item auctioned on ebay has no rod and a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 122 Buffalo, NY EBAY ITEM: 171006927656 flag 1 is after flag 1871 as the item auctioned on ebay has no rod and a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 123 Michigan City, IN EBAY ITEM: 170988092366 flag 1 is after flag 1868 as the item auctioned on ebay has no rod and a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 126 Nauset Beach, MA EBAY ITEM: 170988119768 flag 1 is after flag 1251 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
HL 127 Whaleback Light, NH EBAY ITEM: 171007744946 flag 1 is after flag 958 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
HL 129 New London Ledge, CT EBAY ITEM: 171007488725 flag 1 is after flag 860 as the item auctioned on ebay has no rod and a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 130 Portland Breakwater, ME EBAY ITEM: 170986835055 flag 1 is after flag 1087 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
HL 131 Minots Ledge, MA EBAY ITEM: 171007482772 flag 1 is after flag 987 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker
HL 132 Ponce De Leon, FL EBAY ITEM: 171007495769 flag 1 is after flag 304 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
HL 134 Key West, FL EBAY ITEM: 170988075696 flag 1 is after flag 729 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
HL 135 Ocracoke Island, NC EBAY ITEM: 170995747731 flag 1 is after flag 351 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
HL 136 Hilton Head (Sea Pines), SC EBAY ITEM: 170986259455 flag 1 is after flag 663 as the item auctioned on ebay has a made in Malaysia sticker.
Re: An interesting item to come out of "Bill's auctions"
[Re: Mark Wagner]
#20872705/19/1310:19 PM
Since the #1 piece was Malaysian made and #634 in Canada, I think there is a possibility that there are more of the mold 1 type in the early low numbers, since the #1 is a Malaysian inserted in between Canadians.
I also wonder if that mold 1 piece was a California piece that was already in "pre-production" before they switched to Canada and it was just started again from scratch. just wondering since the two mold 1 pieces have the grey felt and one of them had a brown box all though the other has a blue box marked #1467 (obviously not it's original box)
I really doubt that there is any other mold 1 except for the AP. But it is something to keep an eye on. I also doubt that the mold 1 was a California mold or at least how we know it. The California mold pieces were the first 250 production that were under contract for the first 17 pieces from 101 to 117 with C.R. Curtis. Curtis who had a studio in California sold out early and the Production line was switched to Canada by the end of 1991. Buffalo was the 1992 production line.
A.P. Counter samples usually come from the factory with no felt at all. It is possible that the grey felt was added later at HL. Another scenario would be that another Artist sculpted the mold1. No matter where the AP sculpture came from, Tori-Dawn probably painted it.
