Y2K SoL SMiLE - too warm & fuzzy for me

Send me my reservaton form John!!
I'd like #17 please.
Check in mail, as soon as reservation form is received by e-mail.
It's only 1/25, so this can't be an April Fool's joke

PS thanks for the ny links

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OK St. John. My check's in the mail. I like SoL as a lighthouse lots, I just changed my mind about whether it would be a good Y2K piece or not.


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Keepin' the flame

>>If you don't like the Statue of Liberty as crafted by Harbour Lights (if and when it comes out), don't buy it.<<

With my investment??? I wish it was that easy to say no. My luck SoL would be the next Coquille, 8 toes instead of 10, and besides, that "Just Say No" approach applies to more than the SoL, Portland Head in the snow???? Don't like it? Don't buy it!

Back At You, Baabbyyy, LOL

SeAnDiEgO

>>I'll send you 20 of them LoR bucks that Tim alluded to. Seems that currency is so debased now it's worth about 1/20 of one cent on the U.S. dollar or so.<<

Dear Alan,

Gauged by this and other recent remarks, you're obviously correct. Good thing I sold short!


Roflmao,
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/im (Thinking about Kafka doing a movie review of 'A Bug's Life'.)

I really don't think the Statue of Liberty would really fit it with the rest of the Harbour Lights collection, neither would the Pharos of Alexandria. I also don't believe that either piece would be a big seller. Maybe the SoL could be made as a special event piece and put on the cover of the HL 2000 calendar.

Hey John, I think HL should take you off the web page and put you in charge of marketing.

First you limit the edition size, then require an advanced reservation, set a deadline, request a deposit, and require a positive opinion be expressed (promoting even more sales). Now you have us all salivating like Pavlov's dogs.

So with great sincerity I state . . . I have always loved the Statue of Liberty & agree it would be wonderful if HL made it. So where do I send my check?

LOL - Polly

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No checks, Polly. Cash only. See my address above.

Soupy [If you know why, you're at least 50]

If the deposit is sent in cash, will you explain "Soupy"?

Is this a set up or what!

Well let's say I'll explain the "Soupy" if it leads to "Sales".

John

Served down the middle of the plate, JC hits it outta da park! I think the next skit involves an Eye Chart.

Rgds,
Black Tooth [content at less than 50]

Got it. He's an old comedian right?

BLAh?
bla bla bla !!!
Blah?

-White Fang

Well we now know for sure that Tim, Robert and I are over 50.

Yes, "Soupy Sales" was an early TV kid's TV host, based in Detroit. Back in the days when kids got and hour and a half off from school for lunch at home, Soupy's show was a big hit with such puppet characters as "White Fang" and "Black Tooth" and "Willie the Worm".

Soupy got in trouble once when he suggested kids should look in their daddy's pocket or wallet and take those pieces of green paper and mail them to him.

Thus my suggestion to send cash.

Soupy had a late night show for a while too.

I realize that I shocked the HL collecting world when I disclosed my LE Statue of Liberty (SoL). But if you think that was big, then today's announcement should put them on their ears.



G.S.o.W
Great Statues of the World

Yes, Tim and Sean I also have a G.S.o.W and if you will look carefully the technological differences are obvious.
The LE - glass
The G.S.o.W - High impact plastic for longer shelf life

The LE - good detail with the glass
The G.S.o.W - much more detail using the plastic

Maybe it should be: G.S.o.W - Gold Statues of the World - in this category the LE falls behind the G.S.o.W


Paul

Soupy was also a regular 'guest' on a show at WISH TV8, here in Indianapolis, in the early 70's called "The Morning Show" which was changed to "Indy Today" after about six months. I got to know Soupy, White Fang and Black Tooth very well in 1971, when I started to work at WISH. The hosts of the "Indy Today" show were Wally and Natalie Brunner, who were from Indianapolis originally. Wally was the host of several nationally syndicated game shows (What's my Line) and "Wally's Workshop", which was a nationally syndicated show, about home improvements, that he both starred in and was the Producer. Natalie was his foil on the show. Hmm, I wonder if anybody has copied that format.

Paul (writing this while sitting in the newsroom directly under the Studio, where the show took place, so I can't tell what the weather is, since there aren't any windows)

Seems like the fog here in The Fog Signal Building is gettin' thick!

What was the original subject here?

I used to listen to Soupy on WNNNNNbc in NY in the late 70's - Original home of Imus, and Howard Stern.

I'm sure that's where Tim also heard Soupy.
-So speak for yourself, John.

Bob(Robert's alter ego)
LOL

>>Well we now know for sure that Tim, Robert and I are over 50.<<

John, I'll eventually get there, but respectfully decline your little push. However, I did used to watch Hawaii Five-Oh. :-)

Paul, is the statue on the right missing a proper hat? Perhaps its another varietal. (Edition size: 7,123,986). Obviously deserving a special well lit case from Brady Inc.

Through a fog darkly,
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She (G.S.o.W) has her crown, although it isn't as well defined as the LE. The true variation is the limited depending on how much cologne is left in the bottle, or Chivas after all these years on the top shelf.



Paul

OK, before I get into this, I just want to say that I support the idea of SofL for a Y2k piece. The Statue of Liberty may not be much of a lighthousy-lighthouse, but it is considered a lighthouse. In fact it was the first one to ever be electrified.
Now, the Statue of Liberty has long symbolized America, what she stands for, and what so many came in droves seeking, from the Old World's "teeming shores" and poet Emma Lazarus stated in her poem about the statue, "The New Colossus."
Now, we all know how helpful lights have been since the beginning of our country, even before that. We declared our independence from Great Britain in the hopes that we would gain rights of free citizens. Now, in the late 1800's the Statue of Liberty came over to New York Harbor in crates, little did we know that it would stand for America from the time she was unveiled on. She may not have been too much of a navigational aid for the sailors, but for the constant flow of immigrants, she was a guiding light. Telling them that they were in America now, that they were home now. That they were free. The shackles and chains of the Old World were broken (as symbolized at the Statue of Liberty's feet).
So, as the millenium approaches, we are urged to look back, on all the times we have been through. On how we have survived so much, how we have been so determined as to never give in, to never give up our rights as free citizens of the United States of America.
And, lest we forget the words at the Grand Lady's base, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free." And also, let us never forget the keeper who also shined the other lights, the others lights that said, "This way, don't give up. You are almost there. Just a bit further, and then you will be in America. America! Freedom is calling. Answer her! Answer the call of freedom! FREEDOM!"
So, as we still debate, let us remember our ancestors, their struggle, in both the Old World, and the New, to break fre of tyranny. So, in conclusion, I would like to say, that yes, there is a connection to the Millenium, the Statue of Liberty, and United States history. The Millenium sings, to us, to all, American, European, Asian, African, and South American, to remember the sturggles and victories of the last 1,000 years. To remember How we have won and lost the right to stand free. And, for all Americans, the Millenium gives us time to remember how we have won the right to stand free and say "I am an American, and I am proud! I AM AN AMERICAN!"
The Statue of Liberty symbolizes America, just as the other lights do, but it casts out and extra message, and extra light, touching each and every anxious face, young, old, rich, poor, it tells them that they are free, and liberty is theirs for the taking.
And in the words of that great line from the Broadway musical Ragtime, tehy came, and the rode, "on the Wheels of a Dream."

Jake (Stephen)

PS- John, if this doesn't work, I'm going to find a way to get that $20 to send to you.

PPS- So now what is next in this great debate, eh Tim?

Jake nicely put, I still don't want it. Theres to many other lighthouses to be made before I would want the SOL in my collection. Theres just something about it that makes it look like memorobilia from a sightseeing trip. You can paint pretty pictures about the symbol but it doesn't make it look anymore inviting into my collection. If I need a symbol of Freedom to remind me of the greatness of the United States all I have to do is look at the American Flag and into my wife's eyes to know how thankful I should be. I don't need an SOL on the mantle piece. I would rather look at the stuffed Beaver.

imho,
SeAnDiEgO
Pres. of the Stubborn Lumberjacks Society

Sorry, Jake..........The Statue of Liberty will never get my vote to be an HL. I agree with Sean regarding the ever-so-deserving LHs that haven't been reproduced. In fairness to all, I wouldn't want a "stuffed beaver" in my display cases either. The curios are reserved for Harbour Light's LEs and OEs only!

That's the word from the East Coast where the temperature has plummeted to the low 20's with overcast skies. Hopefully, we'll get some blue sky later for my photos I'm planning to take in Maine today.

Sean, one question, is the beaver a member of the Stubborn Lumberjacks Society?
Also, in my post, I was aiming more for the connection between everything as Tim put in his first post that someone would come up with a connection. So, I gave it a shot.

Jake (Stephen)

Well said, Jake! Eloquent beyond years. Let those who don't want a SofL pledge not to buy it. More for the rest of us.

John

"I just want to say that I support the idea of SofL for a Y2k piece"

I understood the connection. I just don't support its production as the Y2K lighthouse, if one even needs to be made. By the look of the split it would be safer for Harbour Lights to pass on the idea. Again, I support your beliefs in what the SofL symbolizes. To many times people believe that the SofL is a symbol of the past and forget that it is a symbol of our future.

"Let those who don't want a SofL pledge not to buy it. More for the rest of us"

This is certainly true for anything that Harbour Lights produces. If they make 10,000 of them I can wait at least 5 years to decide if I like it or not. Of course Carnac the Great might be sticking his neck out a little.

"is the beaver a member of the Stubborn Lumberjacks Society"

Jake, the Beaver was once the Mascot of the Stubborn Lumberjacks Society and the Great, Great Grandpa of the current Mascot.

SeAnDiEgO

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Personally I like the idea of a SoL 2K piece and if HL produces it I would definitely like to be included on the list of takers. But, I also understand the argument for a more , how shall I say it, lighthouse-lighthouse to be made by HL for the 2K. So how about:
Point Montara Light, she was first lit in 1900, in 2000 it would be her 100th anniversary of lighting up the coast of CA. Also, HL is celebrating there 10th year and it would be fitting for a CA light to share in the celebration since its been awhile since they have done a CA piece. And it is a very nice piece...would be nice in one of those smaller sizes John was talking about.
..........Just a thought!!

Keeping The FLame,
Kat Waterson (HLL&C)

Hmmm Kat -- "HLL&C" That must be the gret and benevolent "Habour Lights Lovers & Collectors"? Just checking...

John [Who founded the HLA during the 1997 Reunion]

Great sentiment Jakers and a nice piece of writing. I agree (or disagree), I don't look upon the "Grand Old Lady" as representing a lighthouse. She is an inspiring tribute to all who have come to her shores and I have visited her several times.

As for your eloquent essay, save it for a school project when the time comes. It should earn you an A or an A+, with just a tad of editing to throw out the parts directed at us "wackos"

Ok, ok ... looks like I need to use all my fingers to type this one. No doubt I'll end many sentences in prepositions.



Excuse me John, but this sort of taunt is a bit weak. Taint a matter of 'more for the rest of us'. Tis a matter of what HL spends their not unlimited resources on. They can make only so many. Several folks think maybe they shouldn't release as many models in a year as they have been. Tis a matter of priorities.



I was a bit surprised it took so long to get this type of response. Touchy subject, this. No doubt for some folks, arguing against the SOL is like arguing against warm cookies and milk. Who could forsake such an American symbol for a crusty backwater lighthouse few people have heard of?

Answer the following question: Tell me the lighthouse you don't want modeled, which HL would otherwise judge worthy of making in Y2K, so you can have the SOL Smiley piece?

You don't want:
- Ship John Shoal?
- Au Sable Point?
- Isle of Shoals?
- Rock of Ages?
- Saddleback Ledge?
- Whitefish Point?
- Detroit River Light?
- Eldred Rock?
- Cape Hinchinbrook?
- North Point?
- Sodus Point?
- Ft. Gratiot?
- Matagorda?
- Lydia Ann?
- Boca Grande?
- American Shoals?
- Arecibo?
- Ft. Jefferson?
- Cape Charles?
- Kingston?
- Coney Island?
- Esopus Meadows?
- Baker's Island?
- Duxbury Pier?
- Doubling Point?
- Mount Desert?
- Port You Get The Idea?

In reply to Jake and the unrepentent JC :-) I'll unrepentently quote myself:



Shine on Brightly,
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