Secondary Market Trends

Posted By: Webmaster

Secondary Market Trends - 08/23/99 01:05 AM

I've moved this discussion from the separate forum to this thread within "By the Numbers".

Here is the contents of this thread so far:

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FredKuhl
Cruise Director posted 08-16-99 10:47 PM
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Here's my tracking f the Southern Belles from before Christmas '99. I am only showing those that were sold if the reserve was not met or there was no bid I didn't list it. I have it. I just didn't list it.
You may also notice that screen names of the sellers and buyers have been omitted. This is to protect the innocent(?).

At least it gives you an idea of what some people feel is the most popular series produced by Harbour Lights (CH1, CH2, and Coquille are not a series, besides, they rarely appear on eBay).

HL132 Ponce de Leon, FL
#---- 12/24/98 275.00-sold
#---- 12/28/98 255.00-sold
#---- 03/06/99 260.00-sold
#---- 03/28/99 357.00-sold 1 bidders
#---- 04/10/99 300.00-sold 5
#---- 04/15/99 281.51-sold 7
#1336 05/18/99 268.75-sold 7
#---- 06/28/99 265.00-sold 8
#4590 07/13/99 227.50-sold 6
#1697 08/02/99 356.00-sold 4
#1046 08/08/99 252.00-sold 5
(4 reserve not met)
11@ 227.50/357.00
281.57avg

HL133 Tybee, GA
#---- 01/01/99 287.00-sold
#---- 01/08/99 207.50-sold
#---- 02/08/99 263.50-sold
#---- 03/06/99 235.50-sold
#---- 03/07/99 200.00-sold
#---- 03/10/99 225.52-sold
#---- 03/21/99 208.02-sold 9 bidders
#---- 04/18/99 222.50-sold 5
#---- 04/18/99 228.02-sold 7
#-135 05/01/99 197.50-sold 3
#---- 05/30/99 195.00-sold 7
#---- 05/31/99 180.00-sold 1
#4418 06/13/99 177.51-sold 4
#---- 06/23/99 177.50-sold 3
#1313 06/28/99 183.51-sold 4
(18 reserve not met)
15@ 177.50/287.00
212.54avg

HL134 Key West, Fl
#---- 02/04/99 304.70-sold
#---- 03/06/99 280.01-sold
#---- 04/15/99 305.00-sold 7 bidders
#---- 04/18/99 265.00-sold 7
#3844 05/18/99 265.00-sold 5
#1894 05/23/99 298.00-sold 6
#4355 06/27/99 261.50-sold 3
#4633 07/03/99 250.00-sold 6
(4 reserve not met)
8@ 250.00/305.00
245.53avg

HL135 Ocracoke, NC
#---- 01/14/99 301.66-sold
#---- 02/16/99 250.00-sold
#---- 03/02/99 305.00-sold
#---- 03/10/99 310.00-sold
#---- 03/14/99 326.00-sold
#---- 03/21/99 300.10-sold 9 bidders
#---- 03/21/99 275.03-sold 3
#---- 03/26/99 311.03-sold 6
#---- 04/15/99 305.00-sold 5
#---- 05/05/99 305.00-sold 4
#4510 05/18/99 335.00-sold 6
#3879 05/31/99 300.00-sold 1
#-479 07/05/99 410.00-sold 11
#5041 07/20/99 305.00-rnym 4
#4220 08/02/99 350.00-sold 4
(4 reserve not met)
15@ 250.00/410.00
312.59avg

HL136 Hilton Head
#---- 01/20/99 431.25-sold
#---- 02/20/98 357.51-sold
#-467 04/15/99 380.00-sold 11 bidders
#5418 05/04/99 300.00-sold 2
#--41 05/09/99 482.00-sold 10
#4906 06/24/99 275.00-sold 5
(10 reserve not met)
6@ 275.00/482.00
370.96avg

HL137 St. Simons
#-371 04/14/99 256.01-sold 6 bidders
#---- 04/18/99 249.50-sold 5
#---- 04/26/99 256.00-sold 3
#1920 05/28/99 250.00-sold 4
#5200 07/05/99 232.50-sold 4
(14 reserve not met)
5@ 232.50/256.01
248.80avg

HL138 ST. AUGUSTINE, FL
#---- 12/19/98 430.00-sold 2 bidders
#---- 12/26/98 450.00-sold 2
#1782 06/07/99 305.00-sold 4
#-382 06/22/99 490.00-sold 6
(8 reserve not met)
4@ 305.00/490.00
418.75avg

The Ancient Mariner

JChidester
Saint posted 08-17-99 01:00 AM
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Great Work Fred!! Just what I was trying to encourage when I opened this thread. Now let me challendge someone who will search out the on-line sources that show prices.

LamarB
Cruise Director posted 08-17-99 12:31 PM
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These are the ones I 'track' exclusive of eBay. These are asking prices from the last three months. I've removed the lowest and highest for each.
Cape Hatteras Revised:
700
695
650
675
650
600
625
668 Average: 658

Ponce Inlet:
295
319
350
265
275
325
350 Average: 311

Holland:
185
175
195
175 Average: 183

Sandy Hook:
255
300 Average: 278

Tybee:
295
275
269
250
225
250 Average: 261

Key West:
314
299
300
275
300
314 Average: 300

W. Quoddy:
150
110
150 Average: 137

Cana Island:
95

Ft. Niagra:
80
95 Average: 88

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Posted By: FredKuhl

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/29/99 12:37 AM

Let's move it back John.
Here it has been struck by lightning, since it doesn't have it's own lightning rod.

Posted By: JTimothyA

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/29/99 06:22 AM

You have my sympathy Fred, its about time for Art to condense his Survey of a Thousand Ballots. (hint hint)

Posted By: Art

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 01:18 AM

OK, OK!

Tim, John, or some other Saint:

If you'll go ahead and close all the threads related to lightning rods, I'll summarize them in a concise, one-thread posting. Then as new data are available, I'll update it.

If you'd e-mail me when the threads are closed, I'll start compiling. Thanks.

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-Art

Posted By: Bob M

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 02:10 AM

Don't give in to the pressure, Art! You've received a lot of replies to your topic.

Bob

Posted By: FredKuhl

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 04:34 AM

Pressure? What pressure? When the neighborhood goes to the rods (it doesn't fit but what else can I say), I offered to move out. The survey of Arts is just getting a good start. Let everyone get back off vacation, winter sets in, or whatever it requires to get everyone back on the old pcs.
We have room for all in "ye olde forum". I still think this thread fits just as well in the secondary market link.

"Ye olde Ancient Mariner"

Posted By: JTimothyA

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 05:31 AM

The lightning rod threads have been locked. If folks want to wail about it, wail at me as its largely my doing. My rational is as follows:

1. To meet the LR thread's stated goal ('for 23 pieces, how many of each have rods and how many don't') would require approx. 126,500 messages. Applying our usual guideline of closing a thread when it reaches somewhere around 50 messages, that means we'd have 110 threads for each of the 23 models that have rods. If the rate of posting continued at its current 1-2 messages per day it would take over 7 years to gather all the data and consume approximately 194,304,000 bytes of disk storage. And to be successful it assumes everyone who has one of the 23 pieces posts a message - the likelihood of this is slim as many collectors are not on line. Using the forums to gather this data imposes a considerable amount of storage and indexing overhead on the BTN forum which impacts threads posted by others.

There are more efficient ways to get the information and I have discussed some of these with Art. A monumental, but noble task, and I encourage Art to continue with his data gathering and share its results with us on a timely basis.

2. A considerable amount of information about pieces with lightning rods is already contained in the 'Greenbook' for HL. For each of the 23 models, the book lists the highest numbered piece known to have a lightning rod and not have a rod and gives a breakdown by the origin of manufacturer. For example, it shows information such as:
Canadian w/Rod last # known is 1061
Malaysian w/Rod last # known is 2127
Malaysian no rod lowest # known is 2469, etc.

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Sidebar:
I have it from a reliable source that the information about lightning rods contained in the Greenbook was actual absconded from data gather through E-mail surveys on JC's original Harbour Lights Collector's Information Center. Although the Greenbook fails to attribute its source, we should acknowledge where it came from and John's efforts to gather the info.

None of this is to detract from Art's attempt to acquire LR data and expect him to post information on how his findings thus far and how further data can be submitted.

Rgds,
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/im

Posted By: Art

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 06:56 AM

Thanks Tim.

I am not capitulating due to any pressure other than the sheer force of logic. Tim has eloquently spoken of the concerns above.

I will summarize the data collected to-date, then open a new thread. Additions to the new thread will be solicited under a by-exception reporting rule: I will lay out what we know, and if anyone has a piece that contradicts that, then I will update the thread. Give me a week or so to get organized.

Thanks to all for the support in concept, if not method.

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-Art

Posted By: rscroope

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 02:09 PM

opps

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Posted By: JJ

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/30/99 07:31 PM

Perhaps after Art has digested the material and made the necessary notes for his summary, JC could delete those threads in the interest of saving space.
Jim
Johnson

Posted By: Art

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 08/31/99 08:17 PM

JJ,

I've suggested that myself. However, it seems that the general feeling is to let the threads stay as they are. There is a healthy repulsion to the idea of making any postings simply go away. It's a credibility thing. I think the main concern was less with the size of the threads as they are than with what they might become.

Thanks for the input.

-Art [Space... The final frontier.]

Posted By: Art

Re: Secondary Market Trends - 01/19/00 08:05 AM

Fred posted a lot of hard-earned data above. I'd hate to lose it in the coming purge.

On the other hand, those lightning rod postings are ripe for the pickin', JC!

Save the Forum Threads! Save the Kilobytes!

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-Art