Pharo & British Isles Collections
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I'm looking for information on the Pharo Collection and the British Isles Collection (I recently purchased the latter set and purchased the former set last year). Specifically, how many were produced of each piece and what are the issue & retirement dates? Any other information you can provide would be very helpful. I did a search and read the information the searches provided, but wasn't able to obtain answers to the questions shown here. The inventory I maintain on my collection includes that information as well as any add'l. data I've been able to find.
One of the searches pulled up a bit of a mystery on the British Isles Collection--some vague comments about HL and John Hines and lawyers. Is the background on this collection still on a "need to know" basis or can the general public be better informed than it presently is?
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PHAROS
The "Pharos" line was first introduced to this forum in November 1999. The Pharos was intended for marketing outside the US - starting in England and Germany. No decision at that time was made on whether these were to be limited or not. Indications were that they would be more 'GLOW'-sized. And no decision at that time was made about offering Pharos to US Harbour Lights dealers. Then in February of 2000 it was Announce that Harbour lights was producing the Pharos collection to be marketed in the UK. With an edition size of 8,000 and the first 2,000 was going to the US. They were going to be made smaller then what is made in the U.S. since collectors in the United Kingdom didn’t have room like those in the US. HL thought that the smaller size would make it sell better. It wasn’t long till all the orders in the US were filled. Then Kim Andrews Announced the following in October 25, 2000 --------------------------------------------- Thank you for your patience in awaiting news of the delivery of the Pharos Collection Lighthouses ( Trwyn Du, Bell Rock, Ballinacourty, Portland Bill and Needles) After many long months of waiting, our shipment of new product has finally arrived, and sadly, the entire shipment FAILED our routine Quality Control Inspection. We are tremendously disappointed, and know you share our frustration, and so, as a result, we have decided to table the Pharos Collection for the time being. We apologize sincerely for the terribly long wait, and especially for the disappointment of not being able to satisfy pending orders after all this time. Our commitment to top quality merchandise must continue to come before our desire to ship product, and we greatly appreciate your understanding and support. We will let you know if and when the Pharos Collection becomes available in the future. We are now canceling all pending orders for these 5 items, PC101, PC103, PC104, PC105, and PC107. ---------------------------------------------
Even though the Pharos was indefinitely halted, 400 of them were sent to the UK. Their numbers started with 2001 and the ended with 2400. Then the hunt began. The Harbour Light dealer search had 49 UK dealers with their phone numbers. And many collectors started their search. The Pharos is an extremely well crafted Harbour light. But that wasn’t the original belief about them. In late October 2000 Kim made an other Announcement --------------------------------------------- -...we wish to DISCOURAGE our dealers and collectors from hunting for the Pharos available in the UK. These pieces are not up to our product standards, and we are concerned that if a dealer or collector goes to great effort and expense to acquire them, they will only be disappointed as the end result.... ...We find mold deterioration, warping of towers, poor paint application and colors, as well as messy fingerprints on the pieces. We made the decision that these pieces, as produced, could not be shipped to our dealers... --------------------------------------------- Of course the collectors didn’t listen and it was not long until a few were starting to find the market. I believe the bronze lady was the first to sell a set and it went for $750. That set the price until August 2001. Then information leaked out to the forum that a dealer was found in UK that was selling them for a total of ($279) including shipping. His name was Mark and the name of the dealership was “All Things Nautical”. This was announced on the forum by pharologst and it wasn’t very long until those on the forum that wanted a Pharos set got one including yours truly. Mark was the main provider for the US and he was able to sell 200 sets of the Pharos. Mark was able to get cheap shipping ($40) that made him the best one to buy from. I doubt that much more than another 50 made it to U.S. by other UK dealers. This would make it a total of around 250 sets. This year the Pharos value has peaked to $380 on ebay and $450 on the Market Place.
The following is a list of the Pharos that the collectors on this forum has provided. This list was put together by Shortcake.
2002 Needles Point fscjr 2003 Needles Point Rod Watson 2005 Portland Bill engbrady 2008 Bell Rock Sonic59 2010 Portland Bill TD 2014 Ballinacourty Randy Kremer 2017 Ballinacourty Shortcake 2025 Ballinacourty CJandAMANDA 2037 Ballinacourty Jan 2039 Trwyn Du DocJ44 2040 Bell Rock Rrronne 2042 Trwyn Du pharologst 2045 Trwyn Du R Foster 2046 Trwyn Du mghusge 2047 Trwyn Du Tom & JoyceAbbott 2055 Needles Point Rrronne 2067 Trwyn Du Rrronne 2073 Portland Bill CJandAMANDA 2074 Portland Bill Jan 2075 Trwyn Du Randy Kremer 2082 Trwyn Du Gary Toth 2087 Ballinacourty mghusge 2088 Ballinacourty R Foster 2094 Ballinacourty pharologst 2095 Ballinacourty Tom & JoyceAbbott 2112 Needles Point Shortcake 2112 Trwyn Du TD 2113 Ballinacourty 2beacons 2115 Needles Point RESCHULTZ 2119 Needles Point Nana 2120 Ballinacourty RESCHULTZ 2127 Portland Bill Nana 2128 Portland Bill Rich Kirkpatrick 2132 Portland Bill Shortcake 2135 Portland Bill wilsonj3 2136 Portland Bill Bill Harnsberger 2138 Trwyn Du JimJohnson 2140 Trwyn Du Daniel 2141 Trwyn Du Chesapeake Bryan 2142 Trwyn Du gebbyk 2143 Needles Point mombo 2157 Portland Bill J Chidester 2158 Portland Bill tarbaby 2159 Portland Bill GoreWorld 2162 Portland Bill Lorie Roe 2164 Portland Bill RESCHULTZ 2169 Portland Bill gebbyk 2170 Portland Bill Daniel 2171 Portland Bill 2beacons 2174 Portland Bill Chesapeake Bryan 2176 Bell Rock Randy Kremer 2179 Bell Rock Gary Toth 2184 Trwyn Du Lorie Roe 2186 Bell Rock GoreWorld 2186 Needles Point GoreWorld 2186 Trwyn Du GoreWorld 2189 Ballinacourty Rrronne 2191 Bell Rock 2beacons 2191 Needles Point 2beacons 2191 Trwyn Du 2beacons 2192 Bell Rock wilsonj3 2192 Needles Point wilsonj3 2192 Trwyn Du wilsonj3 2201 Trwyn Du Shortcake 2205 Ballinacourty GoreWorld 2208 Ballinacourty gebbyk 2209 Ballinacourty Chesapeake Bryan 2214 Ballinacourty Nana 2216 Ballinacourty Daniel 2217 Needles Point Lorie Roe 2218 Needles Point J Chidester 2221 Bell Rock Shortcake 2223 Bell Rock Shortcake 2225 Needles Point Jeff Marsh 2227 Ballinacourty Randy Kremer 2228 Ballinacourty Gary Toth 2232 Needles Point Chesapeake Bryan 2234 Needles Point gebbyk 2235 Needles Point Daniel 2235 Portland Bill Rrronne 2239 Ballinacourty JimJohnson 2246 Needles Point CJandAMANDA 2247 Needles Point Jan 2255 Ballinacourty TD 2255 Needles Point TD 2263 Portland Bill Rod Watson 2264 Needles Point engbrady 2267 Trwyn Du Nana 2269 Ballinacourty Rod Watson 2270 Portland Bill Sonic59 2271 Bell Rock Lighthouse Ghost 2271 Trwyn Du J Chidester 2272 Ballinacourty Shortcake 2274 Bell Rock tarbaby 2275 Bell Rock J Chidester 2275 Needles Point Randy Kremer 2275 Trwyn Du RESCHULTZ 2277 Ballinacourty Sonic59 2278 Bell Rock CJandAMANDA 2280 Bell Rock Jan 2282 Trwyn Du Rod Watson 2284 Bell Rock Jeff Marsh 2287 Portland Bill Shortcake 2292 Bell Rock pharologst 2294 Bell Rock mghusge 2295 Bell Rock R Foster 2296 Bell Rock Tom & JoyceAbbott 2297 Bell Rock JimJohnson 2301 Needles Point mghusge 2305 Needles Point Tom & JoyceAbbott 2307 Needles Point R Foster 2308 Bell Rock Lorie Roe 2309 Bell Rock Rod Watson 2310 Bell Rock Nana 2311 Bell Rock RESCHULTZ 2311 Needles Point pharologst 2314 Portland Bill pharologst 2315 Needles Point Lighthouse Ghost 2318 Neddles Point tarbaby 2318 Portland Bill Tom & JoyceAbbott 2319 Portland Bill R Foster 2320 Portland Bill mghusge 2323 Trwyn Du Sonic59 2326 Ballinacounty tarbaby 2326 Portland Bill JimJohnson 2329 Ballinacourty Lighthouse Ghost 2332 Needles Point Gary Toth 2338 Ballinacourty wilsonj3 2338 Needles Point Shortcake 2338 Trwyn Du Jan 2339 Needles Point JimJohnson 2341 Ballinacourty Bill Harnsberger 2341 Trwyn Du CJandAMANDA 2342 Ballinacourty J Chidester 2343 Ballinacourty Lorie Roe 2345 Trwyn Du Jeff Marsh 2349 Portland Bill Jeff Marsh 2352 Portland Bill Lighthouse Ghost 2356 Ballinacourty Jeff Marsh 2374 Trwyn Du Shortcake 2380 Bell Rock TD 2381 Bell Rock engbrady 2383 Needles Point Sonic59 2383 Trwyn Du tarbaby 2384 Trwyn Du Lighthouse Ghost 2385 Portland Bill Randy Kremer 2386 Bell Rock gebbyk 2386 Portland Bill Gary Toth 2390 Bell Rock 2beacons 2391 Bell Rock Chesapeake Bryan 2395 Bell Rock Daniel
Later for British Isles
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 01:22 AM
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Daniel,
Haven't read your response yet (will print and read when there'll be no interruptions), but I have to let you know how much I appreciate your going that extra mile or so--THANK YOU!!
Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 01:23 AM
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Excellent summary, Daniel.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 03:26 AM
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A question on the British Isle pieces, were any of them numbered?
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 08:03 AM
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Sean Be Patient I will be doing research on the British Isles next. Hopefully in a few days.
DANIEL
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 10:05 AM
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I have a Longstone and Old Lundy from the British Isles Collection. They both have a flag with a # symbol carved on it, but no actual number was written on next to the symbol.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 10:41 AM
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None of the three in my collection are serialized.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 12:53 PM
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 02:46 PM
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None of the 12 I own have serial numbers.
I've taken Shortcake's list of Pharo Collection a step further and laid it out with each sculpture's number in a column under its owner's name, i.e.,
Daniel Sandy PC 101 Portland Bill 2170 2314 PC 102 Bishop Rock Unnumbered PC 103 Trwyn Du 2140 2042 PC 104 Needles Point 2235 2311 PC 105 Ballinacourty Point 2216 2094 PC 106 Longstone Unnumbered PC 107 Bell Rock 2395 2292 PC 108 Old Lundy Unnumbered (Lundy Island)
I did this to see if others had same numbers in the hope that we could swap to get the same number for each set. The only person having a same number in my set is RESCHULTZ who has Bell Rock #2311. I have to proof the spreadsheet but if anybody wants a copy of the final printout email me with your mailing address. As you can see from this message, the tabs don't set and this message appears jumbled, so I think it's safe to assume the same thing will happen in an email.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 03:55 PM
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Sandy, is the spreadsheet in M.S. Excel? If so you should be able to send the file as an attachment to an e-mail also, and Excel spreadsheets can be opened with the spreadsheet program that is built into Microsoft works (included in Windows)
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 04:15 PM
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I own the following: 101 Portland Bill #2230 103 Trwyn Du #2063 104 Needles Point #2134 105 Blinacounty Point #2183 107 Bed Rock #2344
I missed the original summary and wish to provide this for future reference. Thanks for the information on the series.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 05:04 PM
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I own the following:
101 Portland Bill 2350 103 Trwn Du 2175 104 Needles Point 2293 105 Ballinacourty Point 2367 107 Bell Rock 2204
Bishop Rock Unnumbered Longstone Unnumbered Old Lundy Unnumbered
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 08:07 PM
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Mark,
No, I use Quatro Pro (Word Perfect's spreadsheet).
cclighthousebuff & bobo,
Will incorporate your numbers into my layout.
Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/11/05 10:50 PM
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I guess I didn't realize we were making a list. FWIW in addition to the Needles Point piece in the original list I have:
2048 Bell Rock 2062 Trwyn Du 2204 Ballinacourty Point 2378 Portland Bill
And I also have an Old Lundy.
I seem to recall someone, maybe Paul?, saying that there were more than 400 made of one of the Pharos pieces, maybe Portland Bill???
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 12:18 AM
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It is possible the Portland Bill could have a larger production since it was made in China. While the rest that had the production problems were made in Malaysia. I believe Paul had mentioned that maybe the extras Portland Bill are kept in storage somewhere waiting for the return of the Pharos.
DANIEL
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 02:36 AM
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Sue,
Shortcake's list has only one entry for you--PC 104, Needles Point, Serial #2143. Do you still have that one? I'll add the four you've listed here, as well as an unnumbered Old Lundy to my spreadsheet list.
Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 09:25 AM
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What is printed on the bottom. Does it say Harbour Lights or Pharo Lights or what?
Eric, Florida Keys Reef Lights Foundation; Godfather of Jones Point River Lighthouse; member and District Commissioner of Florida Lighthouse Association et el
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 12:45 PM
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Yes Sandy, I still have that Needles Point piece which is just one digit off from the ones you are looking for!
Eric, the sticker on the bottom says Pharos Collection, Exclusively for Younger & Associates. The flag shows the piece number with a line under it but no edition size.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 01:01 PM
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My five pieces are:
Ballinacourty - 2117 Bell Rock - 2279 Needles - 2290 Portland Bill - 2290 Trwyn - 2168
My 3 British Isles Collection Pieces are all unnumbered.
Rich
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 07:48 PM
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/12/05 08:43 PM
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I have a little information that I can share with you about the British Isles pcs. Awhile back Harbour Lights and John Hines had some discussions about making some pcs. and seeing what kind of interest could be generated in the UK. Harbour Lights provided most of the research and John produced the molds in one of his shops. Around the same time all these plans were been carried out, the collectible markets rather dramatic down turn hit England. This same downturn made it's way over here also but quite a bit later. These pcs. were made of a form of plaster and were and are very fragile. Also, the white boxes and packaging were not up to snuff either, therefore breakage was quite high. As time passed, parties felt because of market conditions, this undertaking was a money losing proposition and the production was stopped. I was told by good sources, that although detailed records are not always maintained over in good old England, the # of actual pieces produced is definitely in the hundreds. I am not sure, but I believe only the 3 pcs. mentioned and the little light series were all that were ever produced.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/13/05 04:45 PM
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Thanks for the info Kaiz. That raises a question. Why were PC 102 Bishop Rock, PC 106 Longstone, and PC 108 Old Lundy named British Isles Collection and the five others from that group named Pharo Collection? The boxes for the 3 unnumbered pieces are white and the sticker on the box and the sculpture inside have labels that indicate the piece is considered part of a collection known as British Isles Collection. The boxes for the other 5 pieces are brown and the labels on the piece indicates it is part of a collection known as the Pharo Collection (which then leads to another question--why name it "Pharo?"). I would think the PC in the edition number is short for Pharo Collection, so the British Isles Collection for these 3 pieces makes no sense. I really need to get out more often!!
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/13/05 05:27 PM
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Sandy - The PC pieces were developed by Harbour Lights for the European Market. The "British Isles Collection" pieces were developed by John Hines without the knowledge or permission of Harbour Lights.
"Pharo" translates to "Lighthouse" in several European languages.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/13/05 06:59 PM
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John, Am I correct if I translate your reponse to mean that Hines produced the 3 almost-full size unnumbered as to serial number, but numbered as to edition number (PC xxx) and named the 3 pieces with the same name he applied to the 12-piece Little Light of Mine--British Isles Collection? Am I missing something here? Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/13/05 10:28 PM
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Sandy, I have a note that says the number of Old Lundy (the full sized piece) is EPC 203. Don't know whether that number's shown on the box or if I just picked that info up somewhere. (The box is squireled away in a place I don't care to go right now, lol!)
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09/13/05 10:57 PM
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My Old Lundy's label on the bottom of the sculpture and on the white box it came in reads: British Isles Collection Old Lundy Lundy Island Distributed by Harbour Lights c2000 The flag reads: OLD LUNDY #______UK c2000 Curioser and curioser Sandy I just squirreled the boxes from the Little Light of Mine, British Isles Collection in the attic after avoiding that nasty trek for too long. Naturally I picked the hottest day of the year!
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/21/05 09:18 PM
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Be Patient I will be doing research on the British Isles next. Hopefully in a few days.
-------------------- DANIEL Daniel, Still working on this? (Been away since the 14th.) Thanks, Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/22/05 05:58 PM
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I am sorry I have been under the weather for 6 weeks.
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09/22/05 06:59 PM
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DANIEL, Sorry that you haven't been feeling too well. Hope you saw your doctor. Or do we have to call Digger? bobo
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/22/05 08:09 PM
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Daniel,
For heaven's sake, put my request on the way back burner please.
Been tested for Lyme Disease? Stan was not himself for about 2-1/2 months after getting bit by a tick. Scared the H___ out of me, thought he'd had a stroke. Repeat after me--DO NOT FOCUS ON ANYTHING BUT GETTING WELL!!
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/22/05 09:50 PM
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DANIEL,
Sandy makes a lot of sense. JUST DO IT.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/23/05 10:51 AM
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I am okay Just got Bronchitis. It is taking a long time to get rid of.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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09/23/05 07:45 PM
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I hope it is okay to post here since I don't want to catch anything one of the members might have. Anyway, my British Isles collection includes:
101 Portland Bill 2221 103 Trwyn Du 2192, 2204 104 Needles Point 2192, 2341 105 Ballinacourty Point 2111, 2338 107 Bell Rock 2192, 2306 Bishops Rock Longstone
I also have the 12 set collection of the Little Lights of Mine which I won't bother listing. I have 3 of the 5 Pharos Collection with the flag number 2192. I sure would like to get the remaining 2 with the same number. Anyone have Portland Bill and/or Ballinacourty Point with the flag number 2192 that they would like to either trade or sell?
I just looked at the list posted by Shortcake above and notice that 103 Trwyn Du, 104 Needles Point, and 107 Bell Rock with the flag number 2192 belong to "wilsonj3". Since I have the 3 lighthouses with that flag number sitting in front of me, can I assume this list is an old one? I bought these some time ago, so unless I purchased these from wilsonj3, there are duplicate lighthouses with the same flag number. Could "wilsonj3" please respond to help clear this up? Thanks.
Scott
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09/23/05 10:16 PM
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Scott - As I was reading your post I noticed the duplication of serial numbers. I figured that maybe at one time you had registered under another name. It also looks like Ballinacourty 2338 came from "wilsonj3". Chances are you bought them from "wilsonj3" to get those numbers but I don't see him listed under the directory. Oh, I also notice that you are missing the Old Lundy Piece of the British Isles Collection or did you forget to list it? Also, did you go ahead and order you Erie Land Light as both John and I explained about the ordering sequence?
Daniel - Maybe you can help. Where did you get the information that wilsonj3 had the serial number 2192 for thos three pieces?
Rich
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09/24/05 10:29 AM
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Here are the sites were the first list of Pharos started
http://www.lighthousekeepers.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000157#000000
http://www.lighthousekeepers.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000164#000000
Shortcake started a list from the list above and with numbers that collectors emailed to her. http://www.lighthousekeepers.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=000163#000000
maybe wilsonj3 is a email and note a user name?
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/16/05 09:34 AM
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British Isles
The only thing that is Harbour lights about the British Isles is the name. 15 of these sets have been sent to the US through the All Things Nautical website. The past couple of months an other 4 has entered the US. The lighthouses were made for the British market at John Hines Studios in England in 2000. Harbour lights was not involved in the design or any aspect of making them. They are made of plaster instead of the cold cast porcelain that Harbour Lights uses. This makes the British Isles very prone to breakage. The British are not into collectables like the Americans and The British Isle did not sell well in the UK
The British Isles is no way in the category of Pharos collection, which was designed, and Marketed by Harbour Lights. They lack the detail such as was with the Pharos and many collectors compare the British Isles with the style of the early Harbour Lights. I feel you don’t have to have the British Isles collection to say you have all the Harbour Lights, but since it does have the Harbour Light name it would definitely make a nice complement to a HL collection.
The British Isles apparently are more rare than the Pharos but still doesn’t carry the secondary value that the Pharos has. The British Isles will need to get some recognition from more collectors before its value will go up. The fact that one was given away at the reunion will help them. Even though there doesn’t seem to be much of a demand for them, if you want one good luck in finding them.
DANIEL
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/16/05 10:49 AM
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If anyone is looking for a British Isle Set, I may be able to help. When Rock and myself got ours last November from a dealer in England, he still had one set left to sell. He may still have it and I have his phone number if your interested.
Rich
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/16/05 12:09 PM
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Tad confused here people. Are you talking about the 3 additional pieces to the Pharo Set or the LLOM British Isles set?
Thanks, Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/16/05 06:46 PM
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Not as confusing as it seems Sandy. The Pharos is a Harbour Lights produced set of 5 lights. The British Isles was done by Hines. There are 2 sets: The set of 12 that are about the size of the LLOM and the set of 3 that are about the same size as the Pharos. The 3 in the large set are Bishop Rock, Longstone and Lundy Island(Old Lundy). They are not part of the Pharos even though some collectors put them in that group and the workmanship resembles the workmanship of the original 17. I personally like them better then the Pharos but they are more delicate although when packed correctly there should be no problem. The sets that Rock and I bought last november made it just fine and mine even took about a 10 day detour through England before making it to Florida.
Rich
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/17/05 10:17 PM
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You are not allowed to be confused Sandy. You started this thread....
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/18/05 01:42 AM
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Mombo--yeah, yeah, yeah. My family says the same thing all the time--YOU started this, so wipe that dumbfounded look off your face. . . . BTW Daniel: One of the searches pulled up a bit of a mystery on the British Isles Collection--some vague comments about HL and John Hines and lawyers. Is the background on this collection still on a "need to know" basis or can the general public be better informed than it presently is? Feeling well enough to add more dialogue?
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/19/05 11:58 AM
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One of the searches pulled up a bit of a mystery on the British Isles Collection--some vague comments about HL and John Hines and lawyers. Is the background on this collection still on a "need to know" basis or can the general public be better informed than it presently is? The Younger family forgot to share this inside info with me. When I asked about the British Isles, Bill and Kim just said that they were very disappointed with them. They felt that Johns Hines could have done a better job with its quality. All I know is bits and pieces that I have put together over the years. Going back over the old forum material, it appears that John Hines design the British Isles and had them packaged under the name of Harbour Lights without the knowledge of Bill and Kim. I doubt that any lawyers were involved. The part on the forum that mentions about a lawyer sounds like in jest only. That’s all that I know. Someone else will have to jump in and tell the rest of the story. Questions I have is: 1. What came first the Pharos or the British Isles? 2. Was the British Isles started first and that gave Harbour Lights the idea to start Pharos? 3. Or Was Pharos created first and John Hines then decided to jump in and add the British Isles to it?
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/19/05 01:38 PM
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Good questions Daniel and thanks for the reply.
I plan to proof my listing of numbers for the Pharo Collection (mine is in alpha order to make it easier to determine if swapping with one another to obtain matched sets is doable) in the coming weeks. If you have a Pharo Collection set or part of a set and haven't already supplied your numbers, let me know what the numbers are and I'll add them to the list I'm doing.
I have Shortcake's listing that was posted here early on, the individual responses that were posted here, and the 11-page thread dated July of 2001. Again, if you have have a set or part of a set and haven't already supplied your numbers, . . .
Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/30/05 01:39 AM
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Here's one more set of numbers to add to your list:
Portland Bill 2386 Trwyn Du 2082 Needles 2332 Ballinacourty 2228 Bell Rock 2179
Gary
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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10/30/05 10:10 AM
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I now have Rod Watson's numbers:
Needles 2003 Portland Bill 2263 Trwyn Du 2282 Ballincourty 2269 BellRock 2304
Cathy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/01/05 02:31 PM
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I just found out y'all were making a list which by the way I think is a very good idea so i'll add mine to the list. PC 101 Portland Bill 2123 2223 PC 102 Bishop Rock Unnumbered PC 103 Trwyn Du 2133 2269 PC 104 Needles Point 2229 2221 PC 105 Ballinacourty Point 2018 2337 PC 106 Longstone Unnumbered PC 107 Bell Rock 2392 2312 PC 108 Old Lundy Unnumbered One set of the twelve LLOM collection. I look forward to seeing a completed list and i really thank the ones who are devoting all the time and effort to see this thing through. you are to be commended. Thanks, Bill B
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/03/05 07:33 PM
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The following list of names are/were owners of the Pharo Collection per data on a listing Shortcake compiled in August of 2001 and from postings to this topic in 2005 and from emails I've received relative to this topic. Those names with an asterisk are individuals who have stated they also own the 3 unnumbered pieces to this collection. If you haven't supplied me with that information already, please do so now so that the final listing will incorporate that information.
I have sent a number of emails to clear up discrepancies. When that information is received and entered to the spreadsheet I've compiled, I'll post that information here. As the spreadsheet won't import properly, I will ask that members send me a stamped, preaddressed envelope for use in mailing them a copy of the spreadsheet if they want one.
Scott, relative to your query about 2192, I have sent a request for numbers to "wilsonJ3, Member #741" and will advise the results.
2 beacons Abbott, Tom & Joyce Cathy (catzb1)(purchased Rod Watson's set) Chesapeake Bryan cclighthousebuff
Chidester, J. CJ and Amanda Daniel Dean, Hal DeDo (Donna)
DocJ44 engbrady (WackoPaul) F., Scott* flacoastie (Rich)* Foster, R.
fscjr gebbyk GoreWorld Harnsberger, Bill JTimothyA
Jan Johnson, Jim Kirkpatrick, Rich Kremer, Randy lightbear (Marilyn)
Lighthouse Ghost magnumred Marsh, Jeff mghusge mombo
Nana Ott, Bob* Roe, Lorie Rrronne sandy* (purchased from Bob McKeon & Larry Wich)
Schultz, RE Shortcake Sonic59 (Oppel, Roger) tarbaby texaslighthouselover (Bill B.)*
Toth, Gary Wagner, Mark
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/05/05 05:19 PM
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I see from a recent email that people are taking my name in vain again!!! I have the following Pharos: PC 101 Portland Bill 2128 PC 103 Trwyn-Du 2273 PC 104 Needles Point 2220 PC 105 Ballinacourty 2109 PC 107 Bell Rock 2240 You can add these to the list. Thanks for pulling me out of the woodwork!! Rich
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/06/05 02:20 AM
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I found my lists on these items... PC104 Needles 2218 PC101 Portland Bill 2157 PC105 Ballincorty 2342 PC107 Bell Rock 2273 PC103 Tryn Du 2271 But then I guess you already knew that.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/10/05 03:59 PM
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Here is my list for my two sets, which by the way, one is for sale if anyone is interested - let me know!
101 Portland Bill - 2278, 2281
103 Trwyn Du - 2075, 2279
104 Needles - 2113, 2226
105 Ballinacourty Pt. - 2227, 2273
107 Bell Rock - 2226, 2273
At one time, I had three or four sets, but these are all I have left.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/10/05 04:55 PM
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John,
Your 7/31/2001 post indicated that number for Bell Rock was 2275. You've indicated here that the number is 2273. Research please and let me know. Randy's post indicates he has #2273 as well.
Randy,
Thanks for the update. Will post to spreadsheet.
Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/10/05 05:11 PM
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I'm waiting on a response from one more individual, after which I will incorporate his numbers into the spreadsheet and advise when it's complete.
At this point, there are 43 members owning 52 sets.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/10/05 06:18 PM
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Maybe there's a way to sort the list to see if trades would be possible so one or more people could end up with matching number sets, Sandy. Or consecutive number sets. Oh,oh, I see Randy and I both have #2273 for Bell Rock. We better go check the numbers.My piece is packed in "Box D" of 10 "shorty wardrobe" boxes in storage. I've got to figure out how deeply buried Box D is. My packing list does say it's #2273.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/11/05 01:03 AM
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Ballinacourty 2211 Trwyn Du 2227
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/14/05 12:25 AM
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Tom and Joyce Abbott
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Just noticed you don't have the numbers for our second set of the Pharo Collection.
PC101 Portland Bill 2012 PC103 Trwyn Du 2109 PC104 Needles Point 2388 PC105 Ballinacourty 2253 PC107 Bell Rock 2379
We also have the following unnumbered: 1 Bishop Rock 1 Longstone 2 Old Lundy (i has some damage)
Tom & Joyce
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/14/05 10:32 PM
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Here are my Pharos:
Portland Bill - 2087 Trwyn Du - 2100 Needles Point - 2087 Ballinacourty Pt - 2069 Bell Rock - 2144
Rich
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/25/05 02:21 PM
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Randy Kremer
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I finally had a chance to recheck my Bell Rock and I do have one with the number 2273!
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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11/25/05 02:32 PM
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Looks like it's my bad. I'll try to dig it out this weekend to end the suspense!
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/05/05 07:53 PM
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I have an AP Set of the Pharos. I wonder how many of them exist?? Dan
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/05/05 08:22 PM
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Yours may be the only one, Dan. $$$$
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/05/05 08:25 PM
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I know of other AP sets.. I have a couple of AP's but not the whole set..
Onward to The Land of the Midnight Sun!
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/05/05 09:41 PM
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John,
Have you checked your numbers yet?
Sandy
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/05/05 10:51 PM
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By the way, there is a set of Pharos on Ebay right now for those of you needing them. I think the post date was 12/2.
Rich
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/05/05 11:47 PM
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I remember reading in one of these threads that a CF member was putting it up - maybe Cathy?
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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12/08/05 04:09 PM
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Randy Kremer
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I know of another AP set. I just sold the set of five and shipped the last of the pieces this week.
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Re: Pharo & British Isles Collections
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02/16/06 10:05 PM
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Onward to The Land of the Midnight Sun!
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